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Press Conference: Karine Jean-Pierre Holds a Press Briefing at The White House - January 6, 2023

  • John Kirby
    Person
  • Karine Jean-Pierre
    Person
  • Question
    Person
Somewhat Positive

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:00:00-00:00:07 (8 sec)
All right. Good afternoon, everybody. Hi, hi, hi. Happy Friday. I think it's Friday. 1

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:00:07-00:00:27 (20 sec)
All right. So, today, the United States will demonstrate our continued enduring commitment to Ukraine's ability to defend itself with the announcement of over $3 billion in new military assistance to Ukraine, including $2.8 billion drawdown for Ukraine, the largest yet. 2

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:00:27-00:01:06 (39 sec)
My colleagues at the Department of Defense will brief on this in further detail later this afternoon. But the package is expected to include the Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles we announced just yesterday, self-propelled howitzers, MRAPs and other armed personnel carriers, GMLRS rockets, surface-to-air missiles as well, anti-vehicle landmines, ammunition, and other items from DOD inventories, as well as $225 million in foreign military financing for Ukraine to build the long-term capacity and modernization of Ukraine's military. 3

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:01:06-00:01:18 (13 sec)
Today's assistance also includes $682 million for regional partners and allies on NATO's eastern flank to incentivize and backfill donations of military equipment. 4

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:01:18-00:01:27 (9 sec)
As the President said yesterday, the war is at a critical point, and we must do everything that we can to help the Ukrainians resist Russian aggression. 5

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:01:27-00:01:37 (10 sec)
With that, I'll turn it over to my colleague, John, to share more about the President's upcoming trip to Mexico City and take any questions that you may all have on this new PDA announcement to Ukraine. 6

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:01:37-00:01:38 (1 sec)
Okay. 7

John Kirby

Positive
00:01:38-00:01:39 (1 sec)
Thanks, Karine. 8

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:01:39-00:01:43 (4 sec)
No problem. 9

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:01:43-00:02:05 (22 sec)
Good afternoon, everybody. The President is very much looking forward to heading to Mexico City for the North America Leaders' Summit next week. Our partnership with Canada and with Mexico is crucial to our economic security, prosperity, democratic stability, and, of course, migration management. 10

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:02:05-00:02:13 (7 sec)
And this North American Leaders' Summit will give us all an opportunity to strengthen those partnerships and advance shared priorities for North America. 11

John Kirby

Unknown
00:02:13-00:02:21 (8 sec)
As part of the trip on Monday, January 9th, the President will meet bilaterally with President López Obrador of Mexico. 12

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:02:21-00:02:28 (7 sec)
And then on Tuesday, January 10th, he'll have a chance to meet bilaterally with Prime Minister Trudeau of Canada. 13

John Kirby

Unknown
00:02:28-00:02:37 (9 sec)
And then later that day, later on Tuesday, all three leaders will gather together for the formal agenda of the 10th North American Leaders' Summit. 14

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:02:37-00:02:58 (22 sec)
Since taking office, President Biden has built and strengthened solid institutional frameworks for cooperation in North America on issues that, of course, span economic development, to security, to migration, all in order to produce concrete results and in a way that will help extend all that security and prosperity well into the future. 15

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:02:58-00:03:33 (34 sec)
As an example, quite frankly, of the strong cooperation that we have in the region on migration, we've implemented innovative approaches, just particularly with Mexico, to help address the challenge of irregular migration, which have led to some significant progress. And I think you saw yesterday the President talked about this, as well as Secretary Mayorkas, and I refer you back to their comments about some of the new policies and initiatives that are in play to both expand legal migration and pathways to legal immigration as well as to crack down on enforcement. 16

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:03:33-00:03:54 (21 sec)
And we're also making strides alongside our partners to address the significant drug issues around the border, particularly with respect to fentanyl and seizing record levels of that before it enters the country. In fact, since August of last year, Customs and Border Patrol agents have seized more than 20,000 pounds of fentanyl. 17

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:03:54-00:04:03 (9 sec)
It's an ongoing effort. It's not something you can ever take your foot off the gas on. And we're going to continue to do that as well. And that will be certainly part of the discussion down in Mexico City. 18

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:04:03-00:04:21 (17 sec)
In fact, as you know, the North American Drug Dialogue, which includes efforts to increase information sharing on precursor chemicals and strengthening our public health approaches for prevention, harm reduction, treatment, and recovery services has been very successful. And again, we're going to continue to work on that. 19

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:04:21-00:04:43 (23 sec)
Redoubling our efforts to address climate and enviro- -- climate and environmental challenges by undertaking efforts to reduce methane emissions in the waste sector and decarbonize public transportation also will be on the agenda here at Mexico City, as will strengthening and expanding North American supply chains for semiconductors, critical minerals, and electrical -- I'm sorry, electric vehicle batteries. 20

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:04:43-00:05:04 (20 sec)
All these investments in North America will benefit the United States. And by taking advantage of game-changing legislation under the Biden administration, including the Inflation Reduction Act and the CHIPS and Science Act, President Biden will use this North American Leaders' Summit to keep driving North America's economic competitiveness and help promote inclusive growth and prosperity. 21

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:05:04-00:05:09 (5 sec)
So, a very, very exciting couple of days in Mexico City. The President is very much looking forward to that. 22

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:05:09-00:05:12 (3 sec)
And I'm happy to take some questions. 23

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:05:12-00:05:13 (1 sec)
Go ahead. 24

Question

Positive
00:05:13-00:05:24 (11 sec)
Thanks, John. Can you talk about any national security implications of the fact that there are no members of the House who are sworn in at this time? 25

John Kirby

Unknown
00:05:24-00:05:37 (13 sec)
We have vehicles to continue to communicate with both chambers of Congress. And that communication will continue throughout the foreseeable future. 26

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:05:37-00:05:51 (15 sec)
So there's no particular worry or concern that national security will be put at -- at, you know, significant risk here because we do have ability to continue some level of communication. 27

Question

Leans Negative
00:05:51-00:05:58 (7 sec)
But there are members who have said, for example, they can't get a security clearance right now so they can't receive classified briefings. 28

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:05:58-00:05:59 ( sec)
Sure. 29

Question

Very Positive
00:05:59-00:06:11 (12 sec)
They've sent requests to various agencies, like the IRS. They've been told they have to wait until they're sworn in. So what kind of impact does that have on the government's ability to function? 30

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:06:11-00:06:22 (12 sec)
Well, there's obviously going to be some impact here as new members are waiting to get cleared and get committee assignments and all that. I don't want to suggest that there's not going to be any national security impacts. 31

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:06:22-00:06:49 (27 sec)
But in terms of the American people worrying about whether the federal government and this administration can continue to look after our national security interests, that should not be an overriding concern. There are vehicles and ways in which we can continue to communicate key priorities and developments, even such as the notification over this presidential drawdown package that Karine just announced. All that was done appropriately. So that work will continue. 32

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:06:49-00:06:51 (1 sec)
Go ahead. 33

Question

Positive
00:06:51-00:07:04 (14 sec)
Thanks, Karine. Can we talk about why is now the right time to send Bradleys to Ukraine? Obviously, the Ukrainians have been asking them -- for them for some time. Is there any kind of new security threat that's motivating this? 34

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:07:04-00:07:20 (16 sec)
So, the aid that we provide Ukraine from a security perspective is very much in keeping with two things: one, the needs that they have in the moment and our ability to provide those capabilities to them, but also taking a look at what the fight is likely to be going forward. 35

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:07:20-00:07:43 (23 sec)
Now, you know, in recent weeks, we've all been very focused, rightly so, on what was going on around Kherson, down in the south. But the fighting in the east, particularly in the Donbas region, has been particularly vicious in recent weeks. And we see every indication that the Russians continue to want to propagate their efforts in the Donbas, particularly around Bakhmut. And we've talked about that, I think, at some length. 36

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:07:43-00:08:01 (18 sec)
In that area of Ukraine, it's a lot of farmland, a lot of open ground, and it lends itself well to the kinds of capabilities that are in this particular PDA package. And the Bradley Fighting Vehicles are very significant in terms of being able to do what we call "combined arms maneuver warfare." 37

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:08:01-00:08:16 (15 sec)
You might remember the Pentagon just recently said they're going to start training, at a battalion level, Ukrainian troops outside the country on combined arms maneuver, because that's really what they need to help continue to improve their ability in that area of Ukraine. 38

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:08:16-00:08:22 (6 sec)
So it's very much tied to the war that we're seeing on the ground right now and what we anticipate we'll see throughout the winter months. 39

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:08:22-00:08:32 (10 sec)
We also talked about the fact that we didn't think fighting was just going to stop in the winter, that these two sides were going to continue to slug it out, and that -- and that has occurred. 40

John Kirby

Unknown
00:08:32-00:08:47 (15 sec)
And I think, again, the Bradleys are just one capability. Take a look at the whole package when you see the Pentagon -- they'll lay it out more in depth this afternoon. But you'll see that the whole package that goes along with this is well suited to the needs that the Ukrainian armed forces have right now. 41

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:08:47-00:08:47 ( sec)
Go ahead. 42

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:08:47-00:09:06 (19 sec)
Thank you. I have two foreign policy questions, John. First, on -- the Wall Street Journal is reporting that the administration easing tension with Saudi Arabia, and they might not go ahead with the review. Can you comment if this is actually accurate? And how far are we in the review? 43

Question

Leans Negative
00:09:06-00:09:24 (18 sec)
And second, on Turkey: As you know, there's this kind of rapprochement between Turkey and the Assad regime, with the mediation of the Russians. Do you believe that this is the right step from the administration's point of view? And will the Kurds pay the price for this? 44

John Kirby

Negative
00:09:24-00:09:39 (15 sec)
To the second question, the answer -- short answer is: No. We haven't normalized relations with the Assad regime, and we -- we wouldn't encourage any nation-state to normalize relations with the Assad regime. 45

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:09:39-00:09:48 (8 sec)
But we'll see where these talks go and what actually comes out of this. I don't want to get ahead of where they are. But we obviously don't support normalization with Assad. 46

John Kirby

Neutral
00:09:48-00:09:51 (3 sec)
On -- I'm sorry, your first question was? 47

Question

Unknown
00:09:51-00:09:52 (1 sec)
On the Saudis. 48

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:09:52-00:10:09 (17 sec)
Saudis. Thank you. The President has been consistent and clear that he wants this bilateral relationship, like any bilateral relationship we have, to be well suited to the interests of the American people and to our national security. And we're going to continue to take a look at that relationship. 49

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:10:09-00:10:28 (19 sec)
Look, Saudi Arabia is a strategic partner -- 80-some-odd years. And -- and it's important that that strategic partnership continue, but it's also important that it continues in a way that is completely consistent with our values and our interests. And the President wants to continue to take a look at it to make sure that that's the case. 50

Question

Negative
00:10:28-00:10:41 (13 sec)
Thanks, Karine. John, two question. One, you outlined a little bit, but I wonder if you could say what specific actions the administration would like to see Mexico take to stop fentanyl production and smuggling. 51

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:10:41-00:10:45 (4 sec)
Well, I don't want to get ahead of the actual summit. They're going to talk about a lot of this. 52

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:10:45-00:11:04 (19 sec)
And Mexico already has taken significant steps. You saw just -- I think it was yesterday, addressing -- sorry, arresting Mr. Guzmán, a key fentanyl trafficker. That is not an insignificant accomplishment by Mexican authorities. And we're certainly grateful for that. 53

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:11:04-00:11:11 (7 sec)
So we're going to continue to work with them in lockstep to see what we can do jointly to try to limit that flow. But it's significant. 54

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:11:11-00:11:35 (24 sec)
And, again, as I said, you know, we haven't -- it hasn't -- it's not like we haven't been -- had some success. I mean, 20,000 pounds is a lot, but it just keeps coming. And so we've got to make sure that -- that we are doing what we have -- what we have to do in our own authority and on our own -- obviously in sovereign U.S. territory, but that we're continuing to work with Mexico and partner with them. 55

Question

Negative
00:11:35-00:11:42 (7 sec)
Just one follow-up. Was the U.S. involved in any way in Guzmán's arrest? And is there a push for him to be extradited? 56

John Kirby

Unknown
00:11:42-00:11:48 (6 sec)
This was a Mexican operation, so I'll certainly let the Mexican authorities speak to that. 57

John Kirby

Unknown
00:11:48-00:11:55 (7 sec)
And I'll refer you to DOJ on extradition issues. That's -- that's beyond my scope. 58

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:11:55-00:11:56 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Jacqui. 59

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:11:56-00:12:15 (19 sec)
Thank you, Karine. John, with the new parole program that you guys announced yesterday, is there any risk that because now those who don't qualify for the program, they won't have any incentive to turn themselves in, as a lot of people have been doing when they illegally cross the border, and that that could increase the number of got-aways? 60

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:12:15-00:12:52 (38 sec)
That -- first, I would definitely refer you to DHS for more detail on this. What we're trying to do with this new parole program -- because we watched how it worked with Venezuela -- by putting in place a process where a legal pathway was available, we were able to reduce by 90 percent Venezuelans who were trying to come into the country illegally. So we have some -- we have some tangible results here that we can -- that we can apply now to these additional three countries that Secretary Mayorkas talked about yesterday. And so we -- we feel there's great promise here. 61

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:12:52-00:13:20 (28 sec)
The idea, Jacqui -- and I couldn't speculate about your question. But the idea is to increase the legal pathways available to people and put in place a nice, safe, orderly process that is humane and gives them the hope that they -- that they're looking for, at the same time being able to crack down on enforcement. And cracking down on enforcement is not an insignificant part of what the President announced yesterday, including adding now another 300 agents to the border. 62

John Kirby

Unknown
00:13:20-00:13:26 (6 sec)
And he looks forward to going down there this weekend and seeing that enforcement and that process in place for himself. 63

Question

Leans Positive
00:13:26-00:14:01 (35 sec)
I understand what the objective is, obviously. But as the pilot program with Venezuela was happening and did reduce the number of crossings by 90 percent over those first few weeks that it was in place, the number of got-aways did skyrocket too at the same time. And so my question is: Does the fact that if you cross illegally, it makes you ineligible for this program -- does that now disincentivize people to turn themselves in and then make part of this problem harder? 64

John Kirby

Somewhat Negative
00:14:01-00:14:23 (21 sec)
It's difficult for me to get in the mind of every individual that may have -- may have already crossed over illegally, though what they ought to know is that we are going to be making sure that we're increasing our ability to enforce these policies and to crack down on illegal entry and end -- 65

Question

Unknown
00:14:23-00:14:24 (2 sec)
With more agents? 66

John Kirby

Neutral
00:14:24-00:14:25 ( sec)
I'm sorry? 67

Question

Unknown
00:14:25-00:14:26 (1 sec)
With more agents or -- 68

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:14:26-00:14:39 (13 sec)
Yes, I mean, obviously. The President is going to order another 300 to the border, and he's working in lockstep with Secretary Mayorkas on whatever other avenues might be appropriate in terms of better enforcement. 69

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:14:39-00:14:59 (20 sec)
But, again, I can't get in the mind of everybody who may already be in the country. They ought to know that, as Secretary Mayorkas I think said very eloquently yesterday, "We're not only a nation of immigrants. We're a nation of laws." And we're -- we are going to scrupulously follow the law. And we expect them to as well if they want to become legal citizens of the United States. 70

Question

Unknown
00:14:59-00:15:06 (7 sec)
Can I follow up quickly on Ukraine, John? When will those Bradleys arrive? And will they have tank-killing TOW missiles on them? 71

John Kirby

Unknown
00:15:06-00:15:11 (4 sec)
I'm not going to get into the specific kitting out of each Bradley vehicle. They're -- 72

Question

Unknown
00:15:11-00:15:12 (1 sec)
Is that a part of this package? 73

John Kirby

Unknown
00:15:12-00:15:17 (5 sec)
I won't -- again, I won't get -- I'll let the Pentagon speak to the details of how each vehicle may be or may not be fitted out. 74

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:15:17-00:15:23 (6 sec)
It will be some time before they can actually get into country. And I couldn't give you a date certain on the calendar. What I can tell you -- 75

Question

Slightly Positive
00:15:23-00:15:26 (3 sec)
Yeah. Is that days, weeks, months, do you know? 76

John Kirby

Neutral
00:15:26-00:15:48 (22 sec)
Well, what I can tell you is that we're going to do it as fast as we can. And this is not a system that will require an exorbitant amount of training for the Ukrainians. I mean, it's a fighting vehicle. And it's, again, very well suited to combined arms warfare, but it's not so sophisticated that it'll take them very long to learn it, not only to operate it, but to maintain it. 77

John Kirby

Neutral
00:15:48-00:16:03 (15 sec)
And as your question, I think, alludes, there are different ways you can fit these things out for the -- for the fight that you're in. And I don't know -- and, again, I'd refer to my Pentagon colleagues -- I don't know that they've made all that -- all those decisions per each vehicle just yet. 78

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:16:03-00:16:13 (10 sec)
You just asked -- you were just talking about training. Just to follow up on that. On Patriot missiles, has that training begun in earnest somewhere in Europe? They wouldn't identify the third country in which it would occur, but has that training begun of the Ukrainians who would use the Patriot battery? 79

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:16:13-00:16:18 (5 sec)
I'm not aware that the training has actually begun. I certainly would refer you to the Pentagon for specifics on that. 80

John Kirby

Unknown
00:16:18-00:16:21 (4 sec)
What I can tell you is that the training will be held outside of Ukraine. 81

Question

Leans Positive
00:16:21-00:16:38 (17 sec)
Then, let me ask one separate question on the border then, to follow up one she was asking about: There's reporting that El Paso has cleared the downtown of these expansive migrant camps that have grown there, in advance of the President's arrival. Is the President going to see a sanitized version of El Paso when he arrives at the border on Sunday? 82

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:16:38-00:16:57 (19 sec)
The President is very much looking forward to seeing for himself firsthand what the border security situation looks like, particularly in El Paso. He's very much also looking forward to getting a chance to talk to Customs and Border Patrol agents on the ground who are actually involved in this mission to get their firsthand perspectives of it. 83

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:16:57-00:16:59 (2 sec)
Thank you, John. 84

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:16:59-00:16:59 ( sec)
Yeah. 85

Question

Very Positive
00:16:59-00:17:23 (23 sec)
Thank you. John, so first of all, I would like to follow up on Ukraine. Was the decision to provide the biggest package to the date connected or made in response to a possible new Russian offensive and escalation? And do you think Ukraine is much better prepared now to counter this new offensive if Russia do that -- if it comes from north, for example? 86

Question

Positive
00:17:23-00:17:29 (7 sec)
And a second one on Mexico. Should we expect any agreement or announcement of funds while the President is in Mexico? 87

John Kirby

Unknown
00:17:29-00:17:36 (7 sec)
I won't get ahead of the President's trip to Mexico and any announcements he might make. I will reserve that for -- for the President. 88

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:17:36-00:17:47 (11 sec)
Again, very important agenda, three big topics: climate change, migration, and drugs, particularly fentanyl. And the President is looking forward to addressing all three. I'll save the announcements for the President. 89

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:17:47-00:18:20 (32 sec)
As for the timing, these drawdown packages, as you know, have been occurring about every couple of weeks or so. So this is the latest iteration. I think it would be incorrect for you to conclude that the amount -- specific amount was sort of driven by rumors or -- or reports of a Russian counteroffensive. They are driven by an ongoing, iterative conversation that we're having with Ukrainians literally every day about the fight that they're in now and the fight that we expect them to be in going forward. 90

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:18:20-00:18:37 (18 sec)
We said -- as I said earlier, we said weeks ago we did not expect the fighting to stop in the winter. It hasn't. In fact, in some places, it's become even more vicious, Donbas particularly. And so we want to make sure that the Ukrainians are well kitted out and well suited for the fighting that's in -- that they're going to be facing in the next couple of months. 91

Question

Very Positive
00:18:37-00:18:40 (3 sec)
Do you think Ukrainians are better prepared now to counter -- 92

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:18:40-00:19:18 (37 sec)
The Ukrainians have -- have -- I mean, better prepared? They are -- they are and have been able to maintain a quite impressive level of readiness for what they're facing. And what's been really impressive to see is the way that they have modified not only their needs, but their abilities in the field to the fighting that they're facing -- obviously, we were all talking -- we're talking about Bradleys today, but recently we've been talking about air defense capabilities -- and the innovative way in which they're using what is being provided to them. 93

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:19:18-00:19:37 (20 sec)
So I don't -- they never fail, I don't think, to surprise or impress with their ability to adapt in real time to the challenges that they're facing and to be quite candid and honest and forthright with all of their partners, including the United States, about what they need to continue to do that. 94

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:19:37-00:19:38 (1 sec)
Go ahead, MJ. 95

Question

Very Positive
00:19:38-00:20:05 (27 sec)
John, I have two questions for you. The first one is following up on Nancy's earlier question about the national security concerns or potential concerns as there remains no Speaker of the House and not a functioning House of Representatives. Would you be giving the same answer if this process were to drag on for a couple more days, say we ask the same question a week from now? In other words, can you continue to, you know, contain the national security concerns for a while or indefinitely? 96

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:20:05-00:20:19 (14 sec)
I mean, clearly, we'd obviously love -- and the President talked about this -- we'd -- we'd prefer to see all of this resolved as soon as possible. It's -- it's not -- not just from a national security perspective but from a democratic perspective. 97

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:20:19-00:20:39 (20 sec)
I don't want to speculate about how long things would go before there would be, you know, some -- a deeper concern about national security implications. I can just tell you that we're confident that we can continue to defend the United States of America while House Republicans are working their way through this process. 98

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:20:39-00:20:49 (10 sec)
We're going to stay on top of that challenge every single day. And we have, again, vehicles in place to communicate as appropriate with both chambers of comer- -- Congress right now. 99

Question

Positive
00:20:49-00:20:59 (10 sec)
And then, just on the President's visit to the border, does he have a desire to, does he have a plan to meet with asylum seekers while he is there? 100

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:20:59-00:21:13 (14 sec)
I -- I won't get ahead much more of the schedule than what I've done. He's really going to focus on two things. And that's the migration challenge, obviously, and having a chance to meet directly with those who are in charge of it. 101

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:21:13-00:21:27 (14 sec)
The other thing I failed to say when I was talking to Jacqui and Peter was that he also wants to focus on the flow of fentanyl, too. So I think you'll see him have opportunities to take a look at that and learn a little bit more about what we're doing on the fentanyl side. 102

Question

Unknown
00:21:27-00:21:29 (3 sec)
So he may meet with some asylum seekers, but you just can't -- 103

John Kirby

Unknown
00:21:29-00:21:33 (4 sec)
I -- I don't -- I don't have anything more on the schedule to speak to with specifi- -- with specificity. 104

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:21:33-00:21:35 (1 sec)
Go ahead. 105

Question

Leans Positive
00:21:35-00:21:51 (16 sec)
So, John, just following up on the -- on the border. I -- I spent a long time covering immigration stuff during the Trump years. I -- I never saw more damning quotes from immigration advocacy groups and human rights groups 106

Question

Unknown
00:21:51-00:21:56 (5 sec)
during the Trump years than -- as I saw yesterday towards this administration. 107

Question

Negative
00:21:56-00:22:15 (20 sec)
Just reading one to you, Eleanor Acer, who is one of the leading advocacy people -- heads up a refugee group, called what the President did yesterday "a humanitarian disgrace." And that was echoed across the board in literally scores of emails I got from every humanitarian group. 108

Question

Negative
00:22:15-00:22:32 (17 sec)
What do you all -- what does the administration say to the overwhelming consensus from people who advocate on behalf of asylum seekers and refugees and migrants that what the President did yesterday was "a humanitarian disgrace"? 109

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:22:32-00:22:57 (24 sec)
Well, obviously, we take a different view. What we would say is that the -- this is a President who understands that safe and legal immigration into this country is a key cornerstone of our own security and prosperity, and that he is advancing ways to improve those legal pathways to entry. 110

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:22:57-00:23:32 (36 sec)
I mean, he increased or -- dramatically increased the number of refugees that we're willing to take in from nations in the hemisphere. He also improved the process by which people seeking asylum can do that in, again, a legal, safe way. And we're also, obviously, have to make sure that -- that it's legal migration we're focused on and that the illegal migration is curbed as best as we can through more -- more stringent enforcement mechanisms. 111

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:23:32-00:23:41 (9 sec)
So it's a balance, and the President is trying to strike that balance. But he is -- and I think you saw it in the -- in all the initiatives that were announced yesterday. 112

John Kirby

Positive
00:23:41-00:23:53 (12 sec)
I mean, there's a -- you know, striking that balance, you can't forget that you -- we do, as a nation of immigrants, have an obligation to provide better tools and pathways for them to come in. 113

John Kirby

Unknown
00:23:53-00:24:08 (15 sec)
I will say this: On his first day in office, he put before Congress an immigration reform bill that he -- that has yet to be acted on. We are dealing with immigration laws and processes that are decades old, Michael. Decades old. 114

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:24:08-00:24:27 (19 sec)
So the answer to the critics is: First of all, we obviously take a different view, in terms of the President's priorities. And if you take a look at the package, you'll see that it is very humane in its -- in its structure. But we've got to have the help from members of Congress. And this is not something that he hasn't focused on. In fact, he has been focused on it since the very first day. 115

Question

Unknown
00:24:27-00:24:28 (2 sec)
Do you understand their points? 116

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:24:28-00:24:29 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Michael. Go ahead. 117

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:24:29-00:24:44 (14 sec)
Thank you, Karine. John, the parole program obviously was designed to address nationals from Haiti, Cuba, Venezuela arriving at the southwest border. But, as you know, a lot of Cubans and Haitians -- 118

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:24:44-00:24:45 (2 sec)
And Haitians, yeah. 119

Question

Unknown
00:24:45-00:24:47 (1 sec)
-- in particular are crossing the -- 120

John Kirby

Unknown
00:24:47-00:24:49 (2 sec)
The Strait of Florida -- 121

Question

Very Negative
00:24:49-00:24:52 (3 sec)
-- Florida Strait by sea. Very dangerous journey. 122

John Kirby

Unknown
00:24:52-00:24:52 (1 sec)
Incredibly. 123

Question

Unknown
00:24:52-00:25:02 (10 sec)
How -- how does this plan at all address those individuals? What should the individuals considering that path take from this? 124

John Kirby

Unknown
00:25:02-00:25:07 (5 sec)
Secretary Mayorkas talked about this, too, yesterday. And obviously, our message to them is: Don't take that journey. 125

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:25:07-00:25:18 (11 sec)
I myself have sailed those waters, and it can be treacherous, particularly at this time of year. And if you're in a -- an unsafe craft or a craft that's not made for -- for those seas, it's very, very dangerous. 126

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:25:18-00:25:35 (18 sec)
So the first message is: Don't take that journey. There are legal pathways. The President is opening up more for people from those countries to -- to get into the United States. And we want them -- we want them to use those legal pathways, which we are now, again, improving. 127

Question

Negative
00:25:35-00:25:51 (16 sec)
But will those individuals -- they're not going to be removed to Mexico, for example. So are they more likely to get an interview based on a credible fear claim if they make that journey? That's the question that a lot of these individuals are asking. 128

John Kirby

Neutral
00:25:51-00:26:12 (21 sec)
Again, I'd refer you to DHS for more detail on this. I'm not an expert on that particular process. We -- the -- we want people to use -- and, of course, Secretary Mayorkas talked about this yesterday -- now, you know, there's a new app here in place for people to -- to be able to apply appropriately for asylum specifically. 129

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:26:12-00:26:30 (18 sec)
And if you choose not to try the legal path, then the United States will, as Secretary Mayorkas said, use the tools at our disposal -- tools which are old, but tools that we have -- to stop your entry into the country. 130

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:26:30-00:26:34 (3 sec)
Go ahead, Jeff. 131

Question

Slightly Positive
00:26:34-00:26:52 (19 sec)
Thanks, Karine. John, on Mexico, the U.S. energy industry feels that the administration is dragging its feet on negotiations over Mexico's potential trade violations. Has the administration considered taking the step of calling for a panel to resolve that dispute? And should we expect any resolution on that from the leaders next week? 132

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:26:52-00:27:01 (9 sec)
I -- I don't have any information about a panel that would be stood up. Again, I don't want to get ahead the President. But, clearly, trade issues will be on the agenda next week. 133

Question

Unknown
00:27:01-00:27:05 (4 sec)
And one follow-up to my colleague's question on 134

Question

Very Negative
00:27:05-00:27:15 (10 sec)
another Russian offensive. What is -- switching topics. What is the U.S. assessment right now of the potential for another Russian assessment as Ukrainians fear? 135

John Kirby

Unknown
00:27:15-00:27:17 (2 sec)
Our assessment of another Russian assessment? 136

Question

Very Negative
00:27:17-00:27:18 (2 sec)
I'm sorry, I meant to say "offensive." 137

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:27:18-00:27:19 (1 sec)
Offensive. Well, I -- 138

Question

Negative
00:27:19-00:27:23 (3 sec)
Your assessment of an offensive. [Laughter] 139

John Kirby

Unknown
00:27:23-00:27:26 (3 sec)
Very eloquently put. 140

Question

Unknown
00:27:26-00:27:26 (1 sec)
Not really. [Laughter] 141

John Kirby

Unknown
00:27:26-00:27:31 (4 sec)
I was trying to throw you a bone, buddy. [Laughs] 142

Question

Very Positive
00:27:31-00:27:35 (4 sec)
Thank you. I appreciate it. 143

John Kirby

Leans Positive
00:27:35-00:27:44 (9 sec)
Let me put it this way, because I don't want to ever get in the business of -- of being a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry -- 144

Question

Slightly Positive
00:27:44-00:27:48 (4 sec)
Well, that's eloquent. 145

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:27:48-00:28:11 (23 sec)
[Laughs] They -- they have been on the offensive now for 10 months. We can't forget that. So when I hear all the talk about a Russian counter offense or of a Russian offensive, you guys have seen this the same as I do: They've been on the offense every single day for the last 10 months trying to take away Ukrainian lives, Ukrainian civilian infrastructure, and, certainly, Ukrainian territory. 146

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:28:11-00:28:19 (9 sec)
And we're seeing that play out right now, as you and I are talking, Jeff, in Bakhmut and in the Donbas. They have made incremental gains in the last few days. 147

John Kirby

Somewhat Negative
00:28:19-00:28:27 (7 sec)
Now, we'll see where it goes in -- in Bakhmut, but in certain places along that front, they aren't -- they remain on the offensive. 148

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:28:27-00:28:48 (22 sec)
Now, whether they're going to redouble their efforts and to what degree that will be successful, I couldn't possibly tell you, because I just don't know what their intentions day to day are. That's why it's so important that we continue to support Ukraine in the way that we have been, the package that Karine just announced -- biggest one ever. 149

John Kirby

Leans Positive
00:28:48-00:29:01 (13 sec)
But I -- I invite you to take a look at what's in it. And you'll see that we really are trying to tailor the support we're giving to Ukraine for the fight that they're in and the fight that we expect them to be in over the next couple of months. 150

John Kirby

Leans Positive
00:29:01-00:29:19 (18 sec)
And we certainly expect over the next couple of months that the Russians aren't just going to throw up their hands and stop or just dig in. Now, there are per- -- there are places along the line where they are. Down in the south, they've largely assumed what we would call a "defense in depth." They're not really on the move too much. But that is not the case in the northeast, up in the -- in the Donbas region. 151

John Kirby

Leans Positive
00:29:19-00:29:32 (13 sec)
So, again, I won't speak for their specific tactical plans. They have remained on the offense in places in Ukraine. We think that that's going to continue, certainly for the next couple of months. And that's why this package was so important today. 152

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:29:32-00:29:33 (1 sec)
Mary, last question. 153

Question

Slightly Negative
00:29:33-00:29:49 (15 sec)
To follow on Michael's question about the pushback that the President's immigration plan is receiving, I guess, to put a finer point on it, one of the central criticisms is that the administration is expanding Title 42 while also claiming to -- to be preparing for it to end. So when it comes to Title 42, are you trying to have it both ways? 154

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:29:49-00:30:10 (21 sec)
No. No. I mean, right now, Title 4- -- first of all, as you pro- -- Title 42 is a public health order. It's being used and was used -- I'm sorry -- was used by the previous administration as an immigration policy. It's not. What we need is real immigration reform. And for that, we need legislation that we have sadly not seen. 155

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:30:10-00:30:32 (22 sec)
It is not designed to be and shouldn't be used as an immigration policy. But we, in anticipation of it going away, and being able to make sure, under Title 8, we can do the kinds of enforcement activities and mechanisms we need, yes, we are looking at expanded enforcement temporarily under 42, with the expectation fully that it will go away. 156

John Kirby

Positive
00:30:32-00:30:56 (24 sec)
And that expansion -- again, I beg you to keep in mind -- is in response to literally a historic, unprecedented level of migration from south of us in this hemisphere. I mean, people that are escaping intolerable circumstances in places like Nicaragua and Venezuela, Haiti. 157

John Kirby

Neutral
00:30:56-00:31:06 (10 sec)
So, we do need to keep it in perspective. The numbers and the scale of the migration challenge is really not something we've seen any time in the last hundred years or so. 158

Question

Slightly Positive
00:31:06-00:31:15 (9 sec)
And just one more on this. Mexico has now agreed to take 30,000 migrants from these four countries who attempt to cross the border illegally. 159

John Kirby

Unknown
00:31:15-00:31:16 (1 sec)
That's right. 160

Question

Unknown
00:31:16-00:31:20 (4 sec)
Did the U.S. provide -- or are we providing any assistance, any aid to Mexico to deal with that influx? 161

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:31:20-00:31:28 (9 sec)
I'm not aware of any specific infrastructure improvements or that kind of thing. But I'll tell you what -- I'll take the question and ask because I just don't know. I'd also refer you to DHS on that. 162

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:31:28-00:31:29 (1 sec)
Thank you, John. 163

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:31:29-00:31:32 (3 sec)
All right. Thanks, John. 164

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:31:32-00:31:34 (1 sec)
Thank you, guys. 165

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:31:34-00:31:37 (4 sec)
All right. Okay, guys. 166

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:31:37-00:31:46 (9 sec)
All right, just a couple of things. And then, as you know, we have an event that the President is doing, so I want to lay this out for all of you. 167

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:31:46-00:32:04 (18 sec)
So, two years after the assault on the Capitol, the President will host a ceremony at the White House where he will deliver remarks and award the Presidential Citizens Medal to individuals who made exemplary contributions to our democracy surrounding January 6th, 2021. 168

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:32:04-00:32:19 (15 sec)
These heroes demonstrated courage and selflessness during a moment of peril of our nation. They include Capitol Police, Metropolitan Police, election workers, and officials at the state and local level from both parties. 169

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:32:19-00:32:29 (10 sec)
Yesterday, we announced the names of 12 patriots who will be recognized this afternoon, and now I have two additional posthumous recipients to announce. 170

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Negative
00:32:29-00:32:50 (21 sec)
The first one is Howard Liebengood. Was a U.S. Capitol Police officer who defended the Capitol on January 6th. The son of a U.S. Senate Sergeant at Arms, Officer Liebengood died after battling insurrectionists at the Capitol and staying on to restore security in the crucial days after January 6th. 171

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:32:50-00:33:02 (12 sec)
Officer Liebengood's painful loss helped change the law to better honor the unimaginable sacrifice that too many officers and their families face. 172

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:33:02-00:33:27 (25 sec)
Second, Jeffrey L. Smith was a Metropolitan Police Department officer who defended the Capitol on January 6th. As he fought the violent mob, Officer Smith sustained devastating head injuries from multiple assaults inside and outside the Capitol. He died after protecting Congress, guarding the Capitol, and preserving our democracy. 173

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Positive
00:33:27-00:33:34 (7 sec)
His passing sparked changes in the law that honor the silent injuries of our fallen officers. 174

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:33:34-00:33:43 (9 sec)
All of these individuals reflect the best of America, our shared values, and the President looks forward to celebrating them today. 175

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:33:43-00:33:47 (4 sec)
Now, turning to the President's week ahead schedule, just a couple of things. 176

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:33:47-00:34:02 (16 sec)
Later today, as you all know, the President will travel to Wilmington, Delaware, and he will return back to D.C. tomorrow. As you just heard -- just heard from my colleague -- on Sunday, the President will travel to El Paso, Texas, and to Mexico City for the North American Leaders' Summit. 177

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:34:02-00:34:06 (3 sec)
The President will return to the White House on Tuesday evening. 178

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:34:06-00:34:17 (11 sec)
On Friday, the President looks forward to welcoming Prime Minister Kishida of Japan to the White House to further deepen ties between our governments, economies, and our people. 179

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:34:17-00:34:33 (16 sec)
Over the past year, the two leaders have worked closely together to modernize the U.S.-Japan alliance; expand on cooperation on key issues from climate change to critical technologies, including through the Quad; and advance a free and open Indo-Pacific. 180

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:34:33-00:34:38 (5 sec)
President Biden and Prime Minister Kishida will build on those efforts. 181

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:34:38-00:34:44 (5 sec)
Afterwards, the President will head to Wilmington, Delaware, later that week. 182

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:34:44-00:34:46 (3 sec)
Seung Min, you want to take us -- take us -- take us out? 183

Question

Somewhat Negative
00:34:46-00:34:59 (13 sec)
I just had a quick follow-up that I was going to ask John about. Does the White House believe the arrest of Guzmán was timed intentionally at all ahead of next week's summit? 184

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:34:59-00:35:13 (14 sec)
So, look, I'm not going to get into speculation here, or -- from here. I would have to refer you to the government of Mexico for -- to discuss that particular question. That is from something for them to address. 185

Question

Very Positive
00:35:13-00:35:36 (23 sec)
And following up on a version of what Nancy was asking earlier, does the White House, the administration have any clarity on whether members of Congress who haven't yet been sworn in can actually do services on behalf of their constituents? Can they contact federal agencies? If they can't interact, then how is the administration stepping in to help people who need help from the IRS or USCIS or other agencies? 186

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:35:36-00:35:52 (16 sec)
So, our -- our administration is going to do everything that we can, all that it can, to ensure that the House of Representatives is kept informed as needed, right? And including, of course, of -- including, of course, on matters of national security, we are going to do everything that we can from here. 187

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:35:52-00:36:13 (21 sec)
Agencies can continue to help House offices with constituent services to extent possible, consistent with the law and House rules and practices. For more specifics on the individual case works or programs, I would refer you to those specific agencies. I know the IRS has come up during this briefing. 188

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:36:13-00:36:26 (13 sec)
But, look, here's the thing. You know, we hope that the House resolves this soon. It has been a couple of days now. And we have important work to do for the American people. And so, we have to get back to work here. 189

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:36:26-00:36:38 (12 sec)
But, of course, the administration is going to continue to do everything that we can to ensure that the House of Representatives are kept informed and have what they need on behalf of the American people. 190

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:36:38-00:36:39 (1 sec)
Go ahead. 191

Question

Very Positive
00:36:39-00:37:01 (22 sec)
Just in terms of comprehensive immigration reform, which obviously the President has called on Congress to enact over and over again, what is his sort of theory of the case right now for getting that done? Will he be taking his own actions to do outreach to members? Does he basically consider that a top priority going into the new Congress? 192

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:37:01-00:37:20 (19 sec)
So, first of all, it is a top priority. I mean, the President put forth a comprehensive immigration reform on day one. So, him doing that that first day of office, the first day that he walked into the administration and sat behind the Resolute Desk clearly states that this is a priority for him and will continue to be so. 193

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:37:20-00:37:25 (5 sec)
And look, we will continue to call on Congress to act. That will not stop. 194

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:37:25-00:37:42 (17 sec)
And look, I also want to just put this in a broader context here. The President inherited a mess because of what the last administration did. They herited [sic] a -- we inherited a mess. And, you know, Republicans in Congress made it worse by blocking comprehensive immigration reform. 195

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:37:42-00:37:56 (14 sec)
And so what you're seeing from this President is he's acting -- he's acting to protect -- to continue to protect the border, secure the border, and also deal with irregular migration. That is what he's going to continue to do that. 196

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:37:56-00:38:15 (19 sec)
So the enforcement measures we announced yesterday will result in more, not fewer, legal pathways for migration, while easing the pressures on our broken immigration system, which has been broken for decades. And so the NGOs and the border communities that support those arriving at our southwest border. 197

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:38:15-00:38:37 (22 sec)
But, honestly, yes, the President made an announcement. He's made this a priority. He's made other announcement before today on what we're doing at the border by -- especially with the historic funding that he's put forth. But in order to fix what is happening currently is to make sure that we have comprehensive immigration reform. And that's what he's going to continue to call on. 198

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:38:37-00:38:55 (18 sec)
He was very eloquent yesterday. He talked about the history of this country. He talked about how we were a country of immigrants. He talked about our responsibility. But at the same time, we have to make sure it is done in a legal way and that we have pathways -- additional pathways for folks to do that. 199

Question

Very Positive
00:38:55-00:39:14 (19 sec)
I guess we have a pretty good sense of what it looks like, typically, when the President sees something as being a top, urgent legislative priority. So, you know, will we be getting readouts of him making phone calls to lawmakers? Will we see members coming here? Will he sort of throw everything he has at this problem that he says he wants to get fixed? 200

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:39:14-00:39:35 (21 sec)
So, look, there's been many initiatives that we have gotten done, especially historic pieces of legislation that the President has done in the past two years, that we haven't laid out everything, right? If we think about the Inflation Reduction Act, we didn't lay out every step of who he was talking to. Matter of fact, most of you all were surprised when that was announced -- the Inflation Reduction Act was announced. 201

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:39:35-00:39:50 (15 sec)
So, look, the President is going to continue to have conversations with member of Congress. His team will do that on a array of issues that matter to this White House. And it matters to this White House because it matters to the American people. And so that's what we're going to continue to do. 202

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:39:50-00:40:06 (16 sec)
I do want to address something that was asked abo- -- that you, Michael, had asked about the lack of support that we have received. Look, I have -- you know, we've heard from mayors across the country as well who have supported, you know, the President's announcement yesterday. 203

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:40:06-00:40:20 (14 sec)
And so, for example, Mayor -- Mayor Todd Gloria, San Diego, California: The President's measures "will help expedite legal pathways for orderly migration and increase funding to nonprofits doing lifesaving work in our communities." That matters. 204

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:40:20-00:40:37 (17 sec)
Mayor -- Mayor Ron -- Mayor of San Antonio, Texas: "In lieu... " -- and this is Texas -- "In lieu of much-needed congressional policy" -- as I've stated, which is so important; and he tweeted this -- the President "new action humanely addresses the influx of asylum seekers entering the U.S." 205

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:40:37-00:40:45 (7 sec)
Eric Adams -- Mayor Adams had -- who has been critical -- right? -- of us -- said: It's "an important, positive step." 206

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:40:45-00:40:58 (14 sec)
And so -- and I have a few more. Den- -- the Denver mayor; the Washington, D.C., Muriel Bowser; and also Mayor Lightfoot -- they all have said -- have said they support the President's actions. And I think that's important to note as well. 207

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Negative
00:40:58-00:41:11 (13 sec)
Look -- look, we know there's more work to do. We absolutely know that. And what the President is doing is he's using the tools in front of him right now to address a really critical and important issue. 208

Question

Neutral
00:41:11-00:41:13 (2 sec)
I guess, if I could just -- sorry, but -- 209

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:41:13-00:41:13 ( sec)
Sure. 210

Question

Unknown
00:41:13-00:41:14 (1 sec)
Since you [inaudible]. 211

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:41:14-00:41:16 (2 sec)
Yeah. I know, since I called you out, Michael. [Laughter] 212

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:41:16-00:41:40 (24 sec)
I mean, the advocacy folks in the community of people who are lawyers and advocates and humanitarian experts, what they would say is the President is using the tools, and he's using them in a harsh and unbalanced way. I mean, I think John referenced the -- you know, trying to balance these -- these issues. And yes, that -- that's true. 213

Question

Very Negative
00:41:40-00:42:07 (27 sec)
But they would argue that the impact, in terms of, you know, sort of the long-term functioning of the asylum process in the country is extraordinarily negative. And they -- you know, lawsuits are going to be filed in the same way that lawsuits, you know, were filed against the Trump administration over and over and over again about their immigration policies. But, you know -- 214

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:42:07-00:42:07 ( sec)
Yeah. 215

Question

Slightly Negative
00:42:07-00:42:23 (16 sec)
-- this time, it'll be against you guys. And I guess I just -- I guess I just -- that puts this President, who spent so much time on the campaign trail talking about how -- you know, how he wanted to be different than Donald Trump when it came to immigration issues -- I mean, it just puts you guys in a really awkward -- 216

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:42:23-00:42:24 (1 sec)
So -- 217

Question

Leans Negative
00:42:24-00:42:25 (1 sec)
-- awkward place. Doesn't it? 218

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:42:25-00:42:34 (9 sec)
I -- I have to say, Michael, I take -- look, I understand what you're saying. But I do take -- you know, I do take issue with comparing us to Donald Trump, who -- 219

Question

Unknown
00:42:34-00:42:36 (1 sec)
It's not me. I'm just -- I'm -- 220

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative