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Press Conference: Karine Jean-Pierre Holds a Press Briefing at The White House - May 22, 2024

  • Jake Sullivan
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  • Karine Jean-Pierre
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  • Question
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  • Aide
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Karine Jean-Pierre

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Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. 1

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Good afternoon. 2

Karine Jean-Pierre

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All right. Okay, I have a couple things at the top, and then I'll hand it over to our guest. 3

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
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Today, we announced that the Biden-Harris administration canceled student debt for an additional 160,000 people, meaning 4.75 million Americans have now benefitted from our debt relief actions, receiving on average $35,000 in debt relief each. 4

Karine Jean-Pierre

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One of those individuals is Tiffany from Oregon. She is the youngest of four children and was raised by a single mom. Tiffany had been repaying her loans since 1994. But thanks to President Biden's leadership, her debt was canceled and she is now excited about what her future holds. 5

Karine Jean-Pierre

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The President will never stop working to provide some more breathing room for Americans like Tiffany, no matter how many times Republican elected officials try to stop him. 6

Karine Jean-Pierre

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As you know, one of the biggest priority of the President is nominating and confirming extraordinarily qualified men and women who are dedicated to our Constitution and who represent the diversity of America. 7

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
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Thanks to his hard work and our partnership with the Senate, we are at 200 judicial confirmations, which is monumental news for the rule of law and the American people. 8

Karine Jean-Pierre

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These highly qualified individuals have diverse professional backgrounds. They are labor -- labor lawyers, civil rights lawyers, public defenders, served in the U.S. military, and much more. Over 60 percent of our nominees are women, and over 60 percent are people of color. They include Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, the first Black woman to serve on the Supreme Court. 9

Karine Jean-Pierre

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We've confirmed more Hispanic judges to circuits -- circuit courts than any previous administration. We've confirmed more Black women to circuit courts than all -- than all previous presidents combined. 10

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
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And let's remember these judges will rule on issues critical to fundamental freedoms: reproductive healthcare, the freedom to cast ballots, whether workers have the freedom to unionize, whether children have the freedom to breathe clean air and drink clean water. 11

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
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And while these milestones is great news, we know there is more work to be done. 12

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
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Next, we are praying for those who tragically lost their lives as deadly tornadoes that -- ripped through Iowa. We are also wishing a speedy recovery to those who were injured. 13

Karine Jean-Pierre

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The administration is deeply grateful for first responders who jumped into action to save lives. 14

Karine Jean-Pierre

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We are in touch with state and local officials and stand ready to offer support. 15

Karine Jean-Pierre

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Tomorrow, the FEMA Administrator will travel to Iowa to meet with local officials and affected residents and survey the damage. 16

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
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In the meantime, residents in affected areas should remain vigilant and heed the advice of state and local officials. 17

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
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And finally, tomorrow, as you all know, Senate Republicans will have another opportunity to decide whether they want to support the toughest, fairest border security agreement in decades or continue putting their partisan political interests ahead of the nation's security. 18

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
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Let's not forget: After months of negotiations, we reached a bipartisan agreement that would have delivered the -- the significant policy changes, resources, and personnel needed to secure our border and make our country safer. 19

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
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That included thousands of additional Border Patrol agents and Customs and Border Protection personnel; technology to catch fentanyl and personnel -- and personnel to go after drug traffickers; asylum officers and immigration judges to improve the processing of asylum cases so they are resolved in a few months and not years; a temporary emergency authority to shut down the border when the system is overwhelmed; and access to lawful immigration pathways while expediting access to work authorization for those who are eligible. 20

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
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The President is clear about where he stands. He believes we are a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws. 21

Karine Jean-Pierre

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We can expand lawful immigration pathways, and we can ensure our border is secure and that those who do not have a legal basis to remain are removed. 22

Karine Jean-Pierre

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Time and time again, the American people have shown that they do not want mass raids, family separation, or kids in cages. They want a secure border and lawful immigration opportunities for those seeking to come to America to enrich our country. 23

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
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That is why President Biden is pushing for and that is what this bipartisan agreement would move us towards. 24

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Negative
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It's now up to Republicans in Congress. Do you actually want to do something to solve the problem or would you rather use it as a political issue? 25

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
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With that, I will hand it over to Jake Sullivan, our National Security Advisor, who would give us an update on the visit tomorrow with the Kenyan president [inaudible]. 26

Question

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Do you remember what you wanted to say, Jake? 27

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
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I'm not sure what that was in reference to -- [laughter] -- but good afternoon, everybody. Thank you. 28

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
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The President and First Lady will welcome President William Ruto and First Lady Rachel Ruto to the White House for a state visit and dinner tomorrow. The official program will actually begin later today with President Biden and President Ruto sharing some informal private time together and then participating together in a technology and investment roundtable with U.S. and Kenyan CEOs and other business leaders in the East Room. 29

Jake Sullivan

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President Biden is really looking forward to celebrating and deepening our 60-year-old friendship with Kenya as it grows from a regional partnership to a global one. 30

Jake Sullivan

Somewhat Positive
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This is the first state visit by an African head of state in nearly 20 years. It is long overdue. And it's emblematic of the priority that President Biden has placed on our commitment to the people of Africa and to elevating their voices in global governance and global problem-solving. 31

Jake Sullivan

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In December of 2022, the President hosted leaders from across the African continent for the U.S.-Africa Leaders Summit in Washington, D.C., where, in fact, he first met President Ruto. 32

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
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President Biden called for the African Union to be able join the G20 as a permanent member. And in September of last year, the G20, in fact, welcomed the African Union as a permanent member. 33

Jake Sullivan

Neutral
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We've also had a historic number of senior U.S. government leaders travel to the continent. Since 2022, 24 senior officials have travelled to Africa, including the Vice President, the First Lady, and seven members of the President's Cabinet. 34

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
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Now, as one of our closest strategic partners in Africa, Kenya has worked side by side with the United States to tackle some of the most significant challenges of our time. And over the next few days, you'll see President Biden and President Ruto commit to deepening our partnership on critical and emerging technologies, on improving health, on fighting climate change, on supporting civil society, on enhancing peace and security, and, of course, on enriching the people-to-people ties between the United States and Kenya. 35

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
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Their statements and their substantive announcements will showcase that our ties -- which are founded on shared democratic values, economic aspiration, and global interests -- deliver in a tangible way for Americans and Kenyans. 36

Jake Sullivan

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Kenya is an emerging technology hub, and so you can expect announcements about new investments and partnership in digital technologies and emerging technologies. 37

Jake Sullivan

Leans Negative
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President Ruto has been a leading voice on the challenges that debt poses to developing countries, so you can expect he and President Biden will announce their shared vision on how the international community can step up to mitigate the mounting burden of debt and unleash inclusive growth. 38

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
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This visit will also highlight Kenya's important role in global peace and security. The U.S.-Kenya partnership, for example, plays a central role in international efforts to defeat al-Shabaab and other terrorist organizations. And you can expect further announcements over the course of the visit that enhance our security partnership. 39

Jake Sullivan

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The United States is also firmly committed to supporting Haiti -- excuse me -- Kenya in its deployment to lead the Multinational Security Support mission to Haiti, which will provide much-needed security assistance to the Haitian people. And we appreciate, of course, the strong, principled, consistent stance that Kenya has taken in supporting Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. 40

Jake Sullivan

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Through this visit, which will unfold through a series of events and culminate in the state dinner tomorrow night, we are demonstrating how, as President Biden has said himself, the United States "is all in on Africa and all in with Africa." 41

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
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Most importantly, we are recognizing our rich history of partnership, friendship, and support for Kenya and focusing on our shared future. This year marks 60 years of partnership with Kenya. We're looking forward to the next 60 and the 60 after that. That's what will be on display in this important and historic state visit. 42

Jake Sullivan

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And with that, I'd be happy to take your questions. 43

Jake Sullivan

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Yeah. 44

Question

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Thanks, Jake. Two on your trip over the weekend to Israel and Saudi Arabia. A senior administration official said yesterday that Israel has addressed many of the U.S. concerns regarding its operation in Rafah. Nine hundred thousand-plus civilians have fled Rafah in recent weeks. Has Israel addressed all of the administration's concerns? Does the U.S. support what Israel is doing in Rafah right now? 45

Jake Sullivan

Very Negative
00:09:32-00:09:50 (18 sec)
We had detailed discussions on Rafah during my visit to Israel. These have built on weeks now, as I've discussed with you from this podium, of discussions on a professional basis about Rafah and about how Israel can achieve the defeat of Hamas everywhere in Gaza, including in Rafah, while minimizing civilian harm. 46

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Negative
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I explained to the Prime Minister and other senior Israeli officials the President's clear position. I reiterated that position. I was briefed by Israeli officials and by Israeli professionals on refinements that Israel has made to its plans to achieve its military objectives while taking account of civilian harm. 47

Jake Sullivan

Positive
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What we have seen so far in terms of Israel's military operations in that area has been more targeted and limited, has not involved major military operations into the heart of dense urban areas. We now have to see what unfolds from here. We will watch that, we will consider that, and we will see whether what Israel has briefed us and what they have laid out continues or something else happens. 48

Jake Sullivan

Very Negative
00:10:31-00:10:47 (16 sec)
And one of you asked me the last time I was standing at this podium: How are you going to judge this? And I said that there's no mathematical formula. What we're going to be looking at is whether there is a lot of death and destruction from this operation or if it is more precise and proportional. And we will see that unfold. 49

Jake Sullivan

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And we will obviously remain closely engaged with the Israeli government as we go. That's how we see the situation right now. 50

Jake Sullivan

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Yeah. 51

Question

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Thank you, Jake. Did the U.S. in -- did you, in your meetings, provide any U.S. intelligence about Sinwar's whereabouts? 52

Jake Sullivan

Very Negative
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So, I think at the root of this question is a story that is just completely wrong -- that somehow we were withholding information from the Israeli government relating to Sinwar or any other Hamas terrorist who was responsible for October 7th. 53

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:11:16-00:11:35 (20 sec)
The fact is that the United States has provided an intense range of assets and capabilities and expertise, which I got briefed on while I was in Israel, to help hunt down and deliver justice to Sinwar and everyone else who brought about October 7th. We have been doing that day in and day out for as long as this conflict has been going on, and we will do it until the job is done. 54

Jake Sullivan

Positive
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It's not tied or conditioned on anything else. It is not limited. We are not holding anything back. We are providing every asset, every tool, every capability. 55

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
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And, frankly, we have some of the best there is in the business on this. And they are hard at work with the Israeli government to help them try to achieve their ultimate objective here. 56

Jake Sullivan

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So, I didn't have anything myself to come add because we've already flowed and supplied everything on a perpetual, ongoing basis through the work that we're doing on the ground right there in Israel. And we'll continue to do that. 57

Question

Slightly Positive
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Well, I ask because the senior administration official -- 58

Question

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Thanks, Jake. 59

Question

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-- had suggested -- which I believe is the administration's view -- that until Hamas is fully held to account that the peace process and any two-state solution could not go forward. Do you see Israel being able to deliver on that? And then do you see Israel accepting a two-state solution? 60

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:12:25-00:12:52 (27 sec)
So, I -- you know, I'd have to refer you to the Israeli government about their position with respect to the future of a Palestinian state or the Palestinian question. I can just state to you what the U.S. position is. And it's been longstanding. President Biden believes that a two-state solution that guarantees Israel's security and also a future of dignity and security for the Palestinian people is the best way to bring about long-term security and stability for everyone in the region: Israelis, Palestinians, and Arabs. 61

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
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And he has talked about a regional vision of Israel actually being integrated with all of the moderate Arab states in an architecture that can deliver regional stability. 62

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
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And I was in Saudi Arabia talking to the Crown Prince about that exact vision this weekend. And you saw public statements from him about what is possible if Israel moves down that path. 63

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:13:11-00:13:29 (19 sec)
So, that's a conversation we'll continue to have with the Israeli government. In the meantime, what we will do is work to ensure the enduring defeat of Hamas and a day after in Gaza that involves governance and security not provided by Hamas but by an alternative that ultimately gets us on a credible pathway to that two-state solution that President Biden has talked about. 64

Question

Somewhat Positive
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Thank you, Jake. 65

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
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Yeah. 66

Question

Unknown
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About the three nations -- European nations recognizing a Palestinian state. Is the U.S. concerned that this is just the tip of the iceberg -- that we're now at a point where other nations, over U.S. objections, will recognize Palestine? 67

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
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Each country is entitled to make its own 68

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
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determinations. But the U.S. position on this is clear. 69

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:13:52-00:14:12 (20 sec)
President Biden, as I just said, has been on the record supporting a two-state solution. He has been equally emphatic on the record that that two-state solution should be brought about through direct negotiations through the parties, not through unilateral recognition. That's a principled position that we have held on a consistent basis. We'll communicate that to our partners around the world, and we'll see what unfolds. 70

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
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Yeah. 71

Question

Very Negative
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Just a sort of quick follow-up on that. How concerned are you about Israel's growing, sort of, diplomatic isolation? And do you view it that way? And what does this also mean for, you know, any deal -- any Saudi deal to recognize Israel going forward? I mean, does this diminish the chances of that? 72

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:14:29-00:14:49 (20 sec)
I think it's a fair question. As -- as a country that stands strong in defense of Israel in international forums like the United Nations, we certainly have seen a growing chorus of voices, including voices that had previously been in support of Israel, drift in another direction. That is of concern to us because we do not believe that that contributes to Israel's long-term security or vitality. 73

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:14:49-00:15:15 (26 sec)
And so, that's something that we discussed with the Israeli government and something that we believe that a strategic approach to defeating Hamas, protecting civilians, surging humanitarian assistance, and then pursuing that vision of regional integration I just talked about will put Israel in the best stead to engage countries around the world and revitalize a lot of the partnerships and friendships that have been a source of great strength for Israel over time and can be again. 74

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:15:15-00:15:16 (1 sec)
Yeah. 75

Question

Slightly Negative
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Thank you, Jake. You just said that there's no mathematical formula as you evaluate Israel's offense of Rafah. But the administration repeatedly has said that the U.S. will not support a large-scale ground invasion. So, how do you define "large-scale ground invasion"? 76

Question

Leans Positive
00:15:34-00:15:43 (9 sec)
And then, secondly, has the President's broken promise to visit Africa created any challenges as you try to deepen relationships with the countries there? 77

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:15:43-00:16:18 (35 sec)
The President would really look forward to visiting Africa. He intends to do so as President of the United States. I obviously don't have anything to announce today. But if you look at the breadth of his personal engagement on this issue, including being a president -- the first in 20 years to actually host an African leader for a state visit here -- I think it shows -- along with the specific, tangible policy actions that he has taken, including most recently, by the way, an -- an overlooked part of the -- the national security supplemental was funding, actually, to help emerging economies, including in Africa -- you know, his record will stand for himself. 78

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:16:18-00:16:34 (16 sec)
And -- and we believe that what today will showcase is not questions about the U.S. commitment but answers that the U.S. is actually delivering for Africa, for the African people -- in this case, for the country of Kenya but also with Kenya for the broader continent. 79

Jake Sullivan

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In terms of how we look at Rafah, as I've said before, the key concern that we have is major maneuvers into -- into dense urban areas. And that continues to be something that we will look at. What we have seen so far has not been that. What unfolds in the coming days is something that we will -- will review closely day by day. And we'll continue to take briefings from Israel about how they re- -- are refining their approach, in part based on concerns that we have expressed to them. 80

Jake Sullivan

Positive
00:16:59-00:17:09 (9 sec)
So, this is something that will be a continuing source of engagement and conversation bet- -- between the two of us. And I'll keep you posted as we assess how things are unfolding. 81

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
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Yeah. 82

Question

Somewhat Positive
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Thank you. 83

Question

Neutral
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Israel is responding to the move to recognize Palestinian statehood by withholding funds from the Palestinian Authority. What do you make of this decision and -- and the economic impact that it could have? 84

Jake Sullivan

Very Negative
00:17:19-00:17:42 (22 sec)
I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong on a strategic basis because withholding funds destabilizes the West Bank. It undermines the search for security and prosperity for the Palestinian people, which is in Israel's interests. And I think it's wrong to withhold funds that provide basic goods and services to innocent people. 85

Jake Sullivan

Leans Positive
00:17:42-00:17:49 (7 sec)
So, from our perspective, those funds should continue to go with all of the -- the necessary safeguards, but they should continue to flow. 86

Question

Very Positive
00:17:49-00:17:58 (9 sec)
And, also, Leader Schumer is in talks with the Speaker to invite Netanyahu to come and address Congress. Does the President support the Prime Minister delivering an address like this at this time? 87

Jake Sullivan

Somewhat Positive
00:17:58-00:18:15 (17 sec)
So, we have not at this point heard from the Prime Minister on a joint address to the Congress. The President talks to the Prime Minister -- in fact, he just talked to him not too long ago. Senior administration officials engage with him. I just did so over the weekend. So, we'll stay in touch with the Prime Minister, and, obviously, we'll stay in touch with the Congress and -- and see what happens. 88

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:18:15-00:18:15 ( sec)
Yeah. 89

Question

Slightly Positive
00:18:15-00:18:37 (22 sec)
Japan hosts the largest number of U.S. forces overseas, and the Pri- -- Prime Minister was just here -- the previous Prime Minister was just here. And with all these wars breaking out, there is great concern on what China is doing in the region. And there's been reports that there are U.S. military in Taiwan for the first time since 1979. Can you confirm that at all? 90

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:18:37-00:18:42 (4 sec)
I don't know what that report is. I know nothing about it. So, I can't speak to it. 91

Question

Unknown
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Also, I just need to fol- -- also, been waiting for an interview with Japanese media, so if that was possible. 92

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:18:47-00:18:50 (3 sec)
An interview with Japanese media? 93

Question

Unknown
00:18:50-00:18:53 (2 sec)
There hasn't been an interview with any of the Japanese media yet. So -- 94

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:18:53-00:18:57 (4 sec)
The President has given a press conference in Tokyo and answered questions from the Japanese media. 95

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
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Yeah. 96

Question

Somewhat Positive
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Thank you. 97

Question

Very Positive
00:18:57-00:19:08 (11 sec)
Thanks, Jake. Two questions. One, does the administration support the Republican push of sanctioning the ICC after the recent arrest warrant applications? And, if so, what would that mean? 98

Question

Very Negative
00:19:08-00:19:20 (12 sec)
And then, also, I wanted to ask you: After your trip to Israel this weekend, do you feel -- I guess, could you characterize how you feel about the Israeli exit strategy from -- for ending the war in totality? 99

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:19:20-00:19:33 (13 sec)
So, on the question related to the ICC, we're in consultations on a bipartisan, bicameral basis with the Hill on all of the options for how to respond to what the ICC has just done. We haven't made any determinations. When we do, we'll be sure to let you know. 100

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:19:33-00:19:35 (2 sec)
And then your second question was? 101

Question

Negative
00:19:35-00:19:43 (9 sec)
Was after the trip to Israel this weekend, do you feel like the Israeli government has a path towards ending the war? And what do you see as their exit strategy? 102

Jake Sullivan

Neutral
00:19:43-00:20:10 (26 sec)
Look, I'm going to let them speak to their exit strategy. What I will say is what I've said from this podium before: We believe the only way to defeat Hamas and lead to Israel's long-term security is connect the military effort to a holistic, integrated strategy for defeat of Hamas and securing all of the other objectives that we've discussed. That's something that we think Israel could be clearer about publicly as well as privately, and we'll continue to work on that. 103

Jake Sullivan

Positive
00:20:10-00:20:29 (19 sec)
But the most important thing is not really what I think. It's that you're hearing senior voices inside the Israeli system speak to these issues. And -- and that debate, we think, is a healthy debate, because at the end of the day, we know from our own experience that military force alone is not going to get the job done. It needs to be a holistic strategy. 104

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:20:29-00:20:30 ( sec)
Yeah. 105

Question

Positive
00:20:30-00:20:47 (17 sec)
Jake, you talked about one of the key objectives, of course, is the provision of humanitarian aid and food to the people of Gaza. The Pentagon, within the last 24 hours, said that they did not believe that any of the aid from the pier, where the construction was led by the United States military, has been received by the people of Gaza to this point. Your thoughts on that? 106

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:20:47-00:20:58 (12 sec)
Given this, has this been a failure? How do we fix this situation? And was the U.S. insufficiently prepared to utilize this as a means by which to deliver aid? 107

Jake Sullivan

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00:20:58-00:21:10 (11 sec)
First, just to level-set: Since Saturday, the U.N. has in fact distributed humanitarian supplies from the pier to Palestinian civilians in Deir al-Balah, in al-Mawasi, and in Khan Yunis. So -- 108

Question

Unknown
00:21:10-00:21:13 (3 sec)
So, aid from the pier has now gone specifically to the Palestinians who need it? 109

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:21:13-00:21:25 (13 sec)
That's correct. And there's been about 695 metric tons of food that has come off the pier so far. About two thirds of that either has gone or is on its way to going to Palestinian civilians. 110

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:21:25-00:21:41 (15 sec)
The issue is not actually getting food to the pier or off the pier; it's being able to ensure that we have necessary security arrangements in place to deliver it. We have had modalities to get some of that aid distributed. We are in the process of building out to get more of it distributed. 111

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:21:41-00:21:56 (15 sec)
So, the answer to your initial question is, no, it's not a failure of planning. Yes, it is an ind- -- indication this is a dynamic environment and we need to continue to refine. But aid is flowing. It is not flowing at the rate that any of us would be happy with, because we always want more. 112

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:21:56-00:22:10 (14 sec)
But we are actually seeing good cooperation between the U.S., the IDF, the U.N., and other humanitarian organizations to ensure that aid goes from that pier to innocent people in need. And we'll continue to do that as we go forward. 113

Question

Very Negative
00:22:10-00:22:28 (18 sec)
Can I just follow up quickly on this situation in Iran? Obviously, we're within the five days of mourning after the loss of two of the key leaders in that country right now -- the mourning led by the Ayatollah there. Obviously, there were initially concerns that the U.S. may somehow be blamed, but the U.S. claims no responsibility, obviously, for the crash of this helicopter. 114

Question

Very Positive
00:22:28-00:22:40 (12 sec)
Can you give us any better understanding of if there are concerns that the U.S. is facing or you've been satisfied with the way Iran has sort of characterized things in the days since then? Is there a -- is there any reason for concern right now? 115

Jake Sullivan

Leans Positive
00:22:40-00:22:49 (9 sec)
All I can say is we had nothing to do with it. And if at any point Iran tries to accuse us of having anything to do with it, we will push back extremely strongly, directly, and vociferously. 116

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:22:49-00:22:50 (1 sec)
Yeah. 117

Question

Very Positive
00:22:50-00:23:00 (10 sec)
Thanks, Jake. The UK's Defense Minister said today that the U.S. and the UK has evidence that China could be providing lethal aid to Russia. Can you speak to that at all [inaudible]? 118

Jake Sullivan

Negative
00:23:00-00:23:15 (15 sec)
Well, going back to 2022, I've actually stood at this podium and warned about my concern that China might provide weapons -- direct lethal assistance to Russia. We didn't see that in 2022. We didn't see that in 2023. We have not seen that to date. 119

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:23:15-00:23:28 (13 sec)
I look forward to speaking with the UK to make sure that we have a common operating picture. We have had one; we've been on the same page. So, I just want to understand better what -- what exactly that comment was referring to. 120

Jake Sullivan

Neutral
00:23:28-00:23:46 (18 sec)
What I would point out is that just recently we have been articulating, in quite urgent terms, our concern about what China is doing to fuel Russia's war machine -- not giving weapons directly, but providing inputs to Russia's defense industrial base. That is happening. That is something we're concerned about. 121

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:23:46-00:23:53 (7 sec)
We've taken action to deal with that in a concerted way with our allies and partners, and you can expect more of that action in the period ahead. 122

Question

Positive
00:23:53-00:23:59 (6 sec)
And will the President go to the peace summit next month in Switzerland? He would be the only G7 leader who has not accepted that invitation. 123

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:23:59-00:24:01 (2 sec)
I don't have any announcements on that today. 124

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:24:01-00:24:17 (16 sec)
What I will say is that I've personally engaged in preparations for that summit, as of others in our government, and, you know, we've been a key player in helping drive forward a vision of peace that includes Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and the principles the U.N. Charter. 125

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:24:17-00:24:20 (3 sec)
But I can't make any announcements today about the President's travel. 126

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:24:20-00:24:20 ( sec)
Yeah. 127

Question

Unknown
00:24:20-00:24:23 (3 sec)
Can I go back to Africa for two questions? On -- 128

Jake Sullivan

Positive
00:24:23-00:24:25 (1 sec)
Yes, you may. [Laughter] 129

Question

Unknown
00:24:25-00:24:26 (1 sec)
There you go. 130

Question

Very Negative
00:24:26-00:24:58 (32 sec)
On President Ruto, the -- there has been a -- he has a kind of checkered past. If you look back a decade or so, he was a defendant at the International Criminal Court over actions taken after an election there. And then, more recently, there are folks who -- who express concerns about some authoritarian moves in the country. Is that something that the President will raise with -- that President Biden will raise with his counterpart during this visit or something that causes any concern on the part of the administration? 131

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:24:58-00:25:16 (18 sec)
We've seen robust and vigorous democracy in Kenya in recent years. But, of course, we will continue to express our view about the ongoing need to nurture democratic institutions across the board: an independent judiciary; a non-corrupt economy; credible, free, and fair elections. 132

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:25:16-00:25:38 (22 sec)
And these kinds of principles are things the President will share, but he's not here to lecture President Ruto. President Ruto, in fact, is somebody who just was in Atlanta speaking about these issues. And we will invest in Kenya's democratic institutions, in its civil society, in all walks of Kenyan life to help make sure that the basic foundations of Kenyan democracy remain strong. 133

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:25:38-00:25:53 (15 sec)
And then just one follow-up on today. You mentioned that there might be some announcements on investment and the like during the visit. Do you anticipate any announcements being made today after the discussion -- either before or after or during the discussion with the CEOs? 134

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:25:53-00:26:00 (7 sec)
I would just say "stay tuned." If they're not made later today, they'll be made tomorrow morning. So, it will be one of the two, and you'll -- you'll have them soon enough. 135

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:26:00-00:26:01 ( sec)
Yeah. 136

Question

Very Positive
00:26:01-00:26:19 (18 sec)
Thank you. Spain, Ireland, and Norway -- they have said that their decision to recognize a Palestinian state is because they want to contribute to the peace process, to a ceasefire. So, what is your view on that? Does this contribute to the process? And if so, will this affect [inaudible] relationship of the United States with these countries? 137

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:26:19-00:26:33 (14 sec)
I have not heard the logic for how it contributes. What I can tell you is we believe the only way that you are going to achieve a two-state solution that delivers for both Israelis and Palestinians, is through direct negotiations between the parties. That's what we've been focused on. That's what we've been driving towards. 138

Jake Sullivan

Somewhat Positive
00:26:33-00:26:44 (12 sec)
And that's what a larger regional strategy -- engaging Arab states to try to generate momentum in that direction -- that's why it's been such a focus of President Biden from the beginning, not just post-October 7th. 139

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:26:44-00:26:55 (10 sec)
But you'd have to ask them how they connect the unilateral recognition to actual progress on a peace process or a ceasefire, because I've not seen how that logic actually plays out. 140

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:26:55-00:26:55 ( sec)
Yeah. 141

Question

Very Positive
00:26:55-00:27:06 (11 sec)
Thank you, Jake. Israel's National Security Minister went today to the [inaudible] of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is [inaudible]of what Sharon did in 2000. I'm sure you remember that. 142

Question

Negative
00:27:06-00:27:14 (7 sec)
Do you see this as provocation? Do you condemn this as a way to cause unrest in Israel, Jerusalem, and in the West Bank? 143

Question

Unknown
00:27:14-00:27:15 (1 sec)
And I have another question. 144

Jake Sullivan

Neutral
00:27:15-00:27:19 (4 sec)
So, I have not seen what he did and therefore do not want to comment on it prematurely. 145

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:27:19-00:27:25 (6 sec)
What I'll do is go check out what exactly unfolded today, and then we'll have comment for you as a result of that. 146

Question

Very Positive
00:27:25-00:27:52 (27 sec)
Okay. And allow me to press you on what you said about the -- you refer us to the Israelis on the two-state solution. With due respect, this sounds like an easy answer, because the President's vision is dependent on the two-state solution. The President's vision is -- and the leverage -- is all on the Israelis to make them closer to hi- -- to what he wants to achieve. American national security is dependent on that -- whether it's with the Houthis in Yemen, the militias in Iraq, or the Hezbollah in Lebanon. 147

Question

Very Positive
00:27:52-00:28:07 (15 sec)
So, it is vital for you to use all the leverage to convince the Israelis. So, how can you tell us, "Well, go and ask the Israelis, because if they said no, then that's no, but this is our vision"? How can you see the two sides -- their vision and your vision -- as not contradictory? 148

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:28:07-00:28:09 (2 sec)
The two sides' vision -- 149

Question

Very Positive
00:28:09-00:28:26 (17 sec)
The Israeli vision of complete denial and rejection of a Palestinian state and your vision -- the President's vision of, like, the only way that you have secure Israel is to have a two-state solution. And hence, you have all these countries unilaterally recognizing the state of Palestine. 150

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Negative
00:28:26-00:28:42 (15 sec)
So, look, I think I said at this podium not too long ago that diplomacy is a thousand days of failure and one day of success. Maybe in the case of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it's even more than a thousand days, since across multiple administrations, multiple decades. 151

Jake Sullivan

Somewhat Positive
00:28:42-00:28:47 (5 sec)
And, by the way, this is not just a U.S. issue. Arab states believe in the two-state solution. European states believe in a -- 152

Question

Unknown
00:28:47-00:28:47 ( sec)
[Inaudible] 153

Jake Sullivan

Somewhat Positive
00:28:47-00:28:52 (5 sec)
-- two-state solution. The world believes in it. So, this is not a bilateral issue between the U.S. and Israel. 154

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:28:52-00:29:25 (33 sec)
And, of course, we make our views known. And, of course, we press on the diplomatic front on this. But at the end of the day, what the United States can do through hard gumshoe diplomacy -- led by the President, the Secretary of State, myself, others -- is try to put the pieces in place for a vision of an integrated region, of a secure Israel, of a two-state solution -- put all those pieces in place and show that for the long-term strength and vitality of the Jewish, democratic state of Israel, this is what's required. 155

Jake Sullivan

Positive
00:29:25-00:29:39 (14 sec)
Israel is a sovereign nation. It will ultimately have to decide what it does. What we can do as a friend is try to put the pieces in place to drive down that road. That's what the President has done throughout his career. It's what he's done as president. And it's what we'll continue to do. 156

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:29:39-00:29:39 ( sec)
Yeah. 157

Question

Very Positive
00:29:39-00:30:10 (31 sec)
Thanks, Jake. We reported this morning that the Kenyan government has yet to submit paperwork -- necessary documentation to the U.N. Security Council on the MSS with details on the sequencing of deployment, details on the intended end state of the mission, and -- and rules of engagement as well. Are you confident that Kenya is prepared to answer those questions? 158

Question

Very Positive
00:30:10-00:30:17 (7 sec)
And specifically on rules of engagement: What do you want to see of the mission and specifically of Kenyan leadership? 159

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:30:17-00:30:28 (11 sec)
I am confident that Is- -- that Israel -- [laughs] -- too many countries -- that Kenya is prepared to carry out what it has set forth with respect to this multinational security support mission. 160

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:30:28-00:30:39 (11 sec)
And it's not just going to be Kenya. It's going to be Kenya leading with a range of other countries, with the United States providing a considerable amount of financial and logistical support and a certain backbone to all of it. 161

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:30:39-00:30:59 (20 sec)
Obviously, i- -- this is not something that, you know, is a completely straight line. It is a dynamic operating environment, to say the least, in Haiti. And this is going to require an adaptive, flexible approach, but one guided by certain core functions and operations. 162

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:30:59-00:31:07 (9 sec)
Ha- -- Kenya has laid that out. It's worked that out in close collaboration with the United States. And it has consulted closely with the U.N. on this along the way. 163

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:31:07-00:31:25 (17 sec)
So, with respect to whatever particular report or forms are necessary to file, that's one thing. In terms of whether the substance of the operation is well understood by Kenya, the partners in the United States, I believe it is. And we expect the deployments to unfold in the not-too-distant future. 164

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:31:25-00:31:42 (17 sec)
In terms of rules of engagement, the key thing here is that this multinational security support mission is exactly that: a support mission. A support mission of the institutions of the Haitian state, not a replacement for it. That is the core proposition behind it. And that's what it's going to carry out. 165

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:31:42-00:31:42 (1 sec)
Yeah. 166

Question

Very Positive
00:31:42-00:31:48 (6 sec)
Thanks. Do you have a reaction to the British Prime Minister calling a general election for July 4th? Were you surprised to see that today? 167

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:31:48-00:32:02 (14 sec)
I confess that I was surprised to see it today, because I think it was not an expected announcement. But I don't have any real comment on it, because I'll leave it to the UK to deal with their politics while, of course, the United States deals with its politics. 168

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:32:02-00:32:19 (17 sec)
We have a very strong -- maybe that's an understatement -- partnership and alliance with the UK, regardless of elections, regardless of prime ministers. So, you know, we wish them luck in the conduct of their election. And we'll be here as the United States standing with the UK through it all. 169

Question

Unknown
00:32:19-00:32:24 (5 sec)
Is the President going to meet with the Prime Minister at the G7? And -- and does this change anything given that the election will be two weeks later? 170

Jake Sullivan

Somewhat Positive
00:32:24-00:32:32 (8 sec)
Honestly, I heard about this two hours ago. So, I'm not sure exactly what it's going to mean from the point of view of the UK at the -- at the G7 summit. 171

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:32:32-00:32:47 (15 sec)
What I can tell you is that we didn't have a specific bilateral plan. But, of course, he's going to sit around that roundtable with that small group of G7 leaders. And, you know, I assume the UK Prime Minister will be there, and they'll be talking about substance, not politics. So, that's not going to change anything in terms of the agenda of the summit. 172

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:32:47-00:32:48 (1 sec)
I'll take one more question. 173

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Positive
00:32:48-00:32:49 ( sec)
Yeah. 174

Question

Very Positive
00:32:49-00:33:04 (15 sec)
Thanks, Jake. I have a China-related question. So, Secretary Yellen is in Europe encouraging European allies to work with the United States to counter China's overcapacity and the trade practice. What is the objective and the action plan for that? 175

Question

Leans Positive
00:33:04-00:33:15 (12 sec)
And, also, China just announced a sanction against former Congressman Mike Gallagher, who just resigned last month. And he had been critic to the Communist Party, also a supporter of Taiwan. 176

Question

Somewhat Negative
00:33:15-00:33:31 (16 sec)
Also today, China announced another sanction against 12 U.S. defense companies and its employees for selling weapons to Taiwan. What is the administration's position on China sanctioning U.S. congress- -- congressional members, companies, and citizens? 177

Jake Sullivan

Slightly Negative
00:33:31-00:33:35 (4 sec)
We oppose all of those sanctions, full stop, four square. Simple as that. 178

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:33:35-00:33:51 (16 sec)
With respect to the overcapacity issue, we've been very clear and the President has been clear, as well as Secretary Yellen, Lael Brainard, and others and -- and Daleep Singh have all spoken articulately to this challenge being not a challenge that's bilateral between the U.S. and China -- it is a global challenge. 179

Jake Sullivan

Neutral
00:33:51-00:34:13 (22 sec)
China's distorted practices, nonmarket economic practices, subsidizing at dramatic scale industries where they are going to produce so much quantity of good and then flood the global markets with it threatens to create global imbalances that are not stabilizing. 180

Jake Sullivan

Somewhat Positive
00:34:13-00:34:24 (11 sec)
That's why it's not surprising that you've seen countries in Latin America, countries in Europe, countries in Asia, and, of course, the United States step up and say, "We've got to look at this and take countermeasures to this." 181

Jake Sullivan

Very Positive
00:34:24-00:34:48 (25 sec)
And I think what the Secretary is hoping to do at the G7, building up to the summit in Italy, is to get a common picture of what the nature of the challenge is, get a common understanding of what the tools to deal with it are, and also a common understanding of how we engage with China in a dialogue on these questions to express our concerns and indicate that we need to take steps to defend ourselves. 182

Jake Sullivan

Positive
00:34:48-00:34:51 (3 sec)
That's what the intent is. That's what we hope to do. 183

Jake Sullivan

Somewhat Positive
00:34:51-00:34:52 (1 sec)
Thank you all very much. 184

Question

Unknown
00:34:52-00:34:52 ( sec)
One in the back, Jake. 185

Jake Sullivan

Unknown
00:34:52-00:34:53 (1 sec)
And I'll talk to you soon. 186

Question

Unknown
00:34:53-00:34:54 (1 sec)
One in the back. 187

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:34:54-00:34:55 (1 sec)
Thank you, Jake. 188

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:34:55-00:34:56 (1 sec)
Thanks, Jake. 189

Question

Unknown
00:34:56-00:34:58 (2 sec)
The last three rows send their regards, Jake. 190

Question

Unknown
00:34:58-00:35:00 (2 sec)
Question from an African journalist [inaudible] about Africa. 191

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:35:00-00:35:02 (1 sec)
Okay. Thank you so much, Jake. 192

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:35:02-00:35:14 (13 sec)
So, I know we don't have too much time because I know the First Lady's Office is holding a press event, and we promised her that -- we promised their office that would be done before then so all of you can have an opportunity to attend that. 193

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:35:14-00:35:17 (2 sec)
But, Zeke -- so, we have a couple minutes. 194

Question

Unknown
00:35:17-00:35:17 (1 sec)
A couple follow-ups on Jake. 195

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:35:17-00:35:18 ( sec)
Sure. 196

Question

Unknown
00:35:18-00:35:28 (11 sec)
He said the President intends to visit Africa while he is president. There are less than eight months until Inauguration Day. So, should we expect a visit be- -- of the President to the African continent between now and January 20th, 2025? 197

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:35:28-00:35:46 (18 sec)
I -- and as Jake also said as -- in his answers, we don't have anything to announce at this time. [Laughter] But -- but the President's -- he -- ob- --obviously, while he's president, he would like to keep that commitment and indeed make a visit to Africa. I just don't have anything to announce at this time. 198

Question

Positive
00:35:46-00:35:48 (2 sec)
And then on one of your favorite topics: the Hatch Act. 199

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:35:48-00:35:48 ( sec)
[Laughs] 200

Question

Very Positive
00:35:48-00:35:59 (10 sec)
The Office of Special Counsel indicated that they would begin working to enforce the Hatch Act on White House employees. Is that something that this White House is supportive of? 201

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:35:59-00:36:24 (25 sec)
So, I'll say this. We are reviewing -- reviewing the opinion. Obviously, that -- that just occurred. I do want to note a couple of things -- that, as recently as November of 2021, the Office of Special Counsel stated that, and I quote, "significant constitutional concerns would be raised by referring White House commissioned officers to the Merit System Protection Board" -- this is the MSPB -- "for discipline." 202

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:36:24-00:36:43 (19 sec)
And for decades -- we have to remember this as well -- OSC's practice with respect to Hatch Act matters involving White House commissioned officers has been to refer those matters to the President for discipline. That's what's been going on for decades now. So -- and that is also what OSC has said was legally required in 2021. 203

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:36:43-00:36:52 (10 sec)
So, we're not aware of any changes in the -- in the law eliminating that requirement. But obviously, we're going to review that opinion. Just don't have anything to share at this time. 204

Question

Neutral
00:36:52-00:36:54 (1 sec)
That sounds like a no. 205

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:36:54-00:36:57 (3 sec)
[Laughs] I'm going to leave it to my White House Counsel's Office colleagues. 206

Question

Very Positive
00:36:57-00:36:59 (2 sec)
So, does that mean you're now more free to talk about all sorts of -- 207

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:36:59-00:36:59 ( sec)
I wish. 208

Question

Neutral
00:36:59-00:37:01 (2 sec)
-- political matters? Because the Hatch Act apparently -- 209

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:37:01-00:37:03 (1 sec)
I wish. [Laughter] I think -- 210

Question

Unknown
00:37:03-00:37:04 (1 sec)
-- doesn't seem to be enforceable on you. 211

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:37:04-00:37:11 (7 sec)
I wish. I just don't have anything to share at -- at this time. But obviously, we're going to review the opinion. I -- I wish. I wish I could. I wish I could. 212

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:37:11-00:37:12 (1 sec)
Go ahead. 213

Question

Unknown
00:37:12-00:37:16 (5 sec)
Has the President spoken to any of the governors in the Midwest who are dealing with a lot of this severe weather? 214

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:37:16-00:37:17 ( sec)
Yeah. 215

Question

Unknown
00:37:17-00:37:22 (5 sec)
And can you just discuss a bit any of the coordination that's going on between the White House and these states in terms of cleanup and recovery? 216

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:37:22-00:37:36 (14 sec)
So, look, you heard me at the top mention how -- you know, how we are -- obviously, folks are in our thoughts and how devastating it's been with these extreme weather and what it's led to. And obviously, people have left -- lost their lives. And so, it's devastating to hear. 217

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:37:36-00:37:59 (23 sec)
The President continues to be kept updated on what's happening in different states. Obviously, we just -- I just talked about Iowa at the top. And he has been -- I know he has had conversations with leadership on the ground. I know that, obviously, the FEMA Administrator has been all hands on deck -- Dea- -- Deanne Criswell -- and talking to folks on the ground as well. 218

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:37:59-00:38:17 (17 sec)
I don't have anything to -- to read out on specific calls. But we are here to help, as we have -- as we have done over the past three years when these types of disasters occur. And we'll continue to be -- be here to help in any way that is needed. And so, I just don't have anything in detail or specifics to share. 219

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:38:17-00:38:23 (6 sec)
But obviously, our hearts go out to folks who are recovering and folks who have lost loved ones. It is devastating to see. 220

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown