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Press Conference: Karine Jean-Pierre Holds a Press Briefing at The White House - May 25, 2023

  • Karine Jean-Pierre
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  • Olivia Dalton
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Somewhat Positive

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
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Hi, everybody. 1

Question

Unknown
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Hi! 2

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
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Good afternoon. Two things for you at the top. I want to provide you with a brief update on where things stand with ongoing budget negotiations. 3

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
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The President's negotiation -- negotiating team has had productive discussions with the Speaker's team. And those discussions continue. 4

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
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You've heard all the congressional leaders make it clear that default is not an option. The President has said that, the Speaker has said that, and we want the American people to understand that as well. 5

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:00:35-00:00:42 (7 sec)
Preventing default is not a matter of debate. It's basically respons- -- the responsibility of Congress. 6

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
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What is up for debate, though, is the budget. And that's what these discussions are about: two very different fiscal visions for our country and our economy. 7

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
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The President's plan invests in America and grows the economy from the bottom up and the middle out. And it does that while reducing the deficit by nearly $3 trillion over 10 years by asking the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair share and by slashing wasteful spending on special interests. 8

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Negative
00:01:13-00:01:30 (17 sec)
House Republicans proposed and passed a very, very different plan. They want to slash programs millions of hardworking Americans count on, while also protecting tax breaks skewed to the wealthy and corporations that will add $3.5 trillion to the debt. 9

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:01:30-00:01:33 (3 sec)
That's where these negotiations began. 10

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:01:33-00:01:45 (12 sec)
So, look, the President and his negotiating team are going to continue to fight for the President's vision and for his priorities, and they're going to do that in good faith. 11

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:01:45-00:02:00 (15 sec)
At the end of the day, everyone understands that the only way to move forward here is with a bipartisan, reasonable agreement on the budget that can win support from both sides -- from both Democrats and Republicans in the House and in the Senate. 12

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:02:00-00:02:10 (10 sec)
So, there's no alternative to this. This is the path that we need to take. And that's what we're focused on to make sure that we're getting things done for the American people. 13

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:02:10-00:02:16 (6 sec)
So, before I go into questions, I just want to say a couple of words about George Floyd. 14

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
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Today, three years after the murder of George Floyd, President Biden paid tribute to George Floyd, his family, and advocates who have fought tirelessly for reform and accountability measures. 15

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:02:27-00:02:59 (32 sec)
This morning, the President also vetoed a congressional Republican-led disa- -- disapproval resolution that would have nullified crucial police reforms many enacted in the District of Columbia on an emergency basis in 2020 after George Floyd's murder, such as banning chokeholds, setting important restrictions on use of force and deadly force, improving access to body-worn camera recordings, and requiring officer training on de-escalation and use of force. 16

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:02:59-00:03:21 (22 sec)
The President has repeatedly said we have an obligation to make sure that all people, all Americans are safe, and that public safety depends on public trust. It is a core policy of this administration to provide law enforcement the re- -- the resources they need for effective accountability community policing. 17

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:03:21-00:04:02 (41 sec)
And that's why, last year, the President signed an Executive Order on Advancing Effective Accountability -- Accountable Polic- -- Policing and Criminal Justice Practices to Enhance Public Trust and Public Safety, which requires federal law enforcement agencies to do the following: ban chokeholds, restrict no-knock warrants, mandate the use of body-worn cameras, implement stronger use-of-force policies, provide de-escalation training, submit use-of-force data to the FBI's Use-of-Force Data Collection, submit officer misconduct records into a new national database, and restrict the transfer of military equipment to local enforcement agencies. 18

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:04:02-00:04:17 (16 sec)
The administration has made significant progress implementing these goals, as detailed in a White House factsheet issued just this morning. But we know that achieving comprehensive and lasting change at the state and local levels requires Congress to act. 19

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:04:17-00:04:33 (16 sec)
So, today, once again, President Biden is urging Congress to pass meaningful reform legislation, including the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act. It is -- it is up to Congress to send this to his desk. And once they do, he will sign this law. 20

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
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Okay. With that, Josh, good to see you, my friend. 21

Question

Positive
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Good to see you, Karine. 22

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
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Okay. 23

Question

Unknown
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How are you doing on the jetlag? 24

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:04:40-00:04:43 (3 sec)
[Laughs] A little better. A little better. How are you doing? 25

Question

Positive
00:04:43-00:04:46 (3 sec)
Uhh, I could be doing better. 26

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:04:46-00:04:48 (2 sec)
Jetlag is real, folks. 27

Question

Unknown
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So, two questions. 28

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
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Yes. 29

Question

Somewhat Negative
00:04:49-00:04:58 (9 sec)
Two subjects. First, given the status of the debt limit talks that you just outlined, should Congress and President Biden both be in D.C. this weekend? 30

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:04:58-00:05:07 (9 sec)
Look, and I got this question -- I can only speak for the President. I can't speak for the Speaker and how he pro- -- he chooses to move forward with Congress. 31

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Negative
00:05:07-00:05:14 (7 sec)
What I can say is that the President could -- could deal with this issue anywhere he is. And so, I'll just leave it as that. 32

Question

Very Positive
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Secondly, the Supreme Court said in a ruling today that wetlands can only be regulated under the Clean Water Act if they have a, quote, "continuous surface connection" to a larger, regulated body of water. Does the White House agree with this view? 33

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:05:30-00:05:36 (6 sec)
So, a couple of things. I know that this decision was clearly made, as you just laid out, today. 34

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:05:36-00:05:49 (12 sec)
So, look, the way that we see it: It aims to -- the Court's decision today aims to take our country backwards. It will jeopardize the sources of clean drinking water for farmers, businesses, and millions of Americans. 35

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:05:49-00:06:01 (12 sec)
Look, the Clean Water Act is the reason why America's lakes today are swimmable, why we can fish in our streams and rivers, and why safe drinking water comes out of our -- of our taps. 36

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:06:01-00:06:14 (13 sec)
So, it was passed, as we all know, by a bi- -- bipartisan majority in Congress back in 1972 and has since been used by Republican and Democratic administrations alike to protect our nation's land and water. 37

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:06:14-00:06:23 (9 sec)
So, our legal team -- as you can imagine, as you all know -- is carefully reviewing the decision. And we'll have more to say on this soon. 38

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:06:23-00:06:38 (15 sec)
But know this: that President Biden will use every legal authority available to him to ensure Americans in every state have clean water and -- and so -- clean water -- not just clean but also, certainly, safe to drink. So, that is going to be our priority. 39

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
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Go ahead. 40

Question

Negative
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I have a couple questions on the debt ceiling. We're now just seven days out from the Treasury's X-date. What is the White House message to Americans who rely on payments from the government to pay their own bills? 41

Question

Positive
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Should people be worried that they might not see a deposit next week with things like Social Security or their military paychecks? 42

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Negative
00:06:55-00:07:14 (19 sec)
So our message has -- continues to be and will -- it has been very clear that we are standing -- this is a President that's standing up against what Republicans themselves are saying is a hostage-taking and threatening a default that would cause a recession; cost about 8 -- cost up to 8 million jobs; and increase costs for all Americans. 43

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:07:14-00:07:21 (7 sec)
That's what the President is fighting for. That's what we want to make sure Americans know. This is what we've been trying to do these past couple of weeks. 44

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:07:21-00:07:34 (13 sec)
And we're fighting against Republicans' extreme, devastating proposal that would slash, as you've heard me say, law enforcement, education, food assistance. All of these things are critical to American families who are just trying to make ends meet. 45

Karine Jean-Pierre

Negative
00:07:34-00:07:59 (25 sec)
So what the people should know -- what the American people should know: that we are not taking any hostages here. Default is not an option. We want to reduce the deficit, which is why the President put -- put -- made sure to make that a priority in his March 9th budget that he released for fiscal year 2024, which is decreasing the debt -- the deficit by an extra $3 trillion, on top of what he has been able to do -- $1.7 trillion in the first two years -- again, a historic number. 46

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:07:59-00:08:20 (21 sec)
And we are negotiating with Republicans in good faith. And we -- as I mentioned yesterday and as the President mentioned on Sunday, we offered an additional cut to the spending of $1 trillion on top of the $3 trillion that we mentioned in our budget -- the President's budget -- on March 9th and on top of what we've been able to do the first two years. 47

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Negative
00:08:20-00:08:24 (4 sec)
So, that's our focus. We're fighting for the American people, and that's what we're going to continue to do. 48

Question

Slightly Positive
00:08:24-00:08:32 (8 sec)
When Americans hear "default is not an option," can they also hear a guarantee from the White House that the government will be able to deliver their deposits next week? 49

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:08:32-00:08:48 (16 sec)
We're going to do everything that we can to make sure that default is indeed not an option. And hear -- it's not just from us; we heard from all four leaders in this past -- in this week -- from Speaker McCarthy as well, as well as the President -- say that default is not an option. So that's what we're moving towards. 50

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
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Go ahead. 51

Question

Positive
00:08:49-00:08:53 (4 sec)
Thanks, Karine. Has the President spoken with Speaker McCarthy since their meeting on Tuesday? 52

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
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I don't have a call to preview for you at this time. 53

Question

Positive
00:08:55-00:08:57 (2 sec)
Okay. Well, why haven't they talked? 54

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:08:57-00:09:25 (27 sec)
The President is giving negotiators the space and the time to negotiate. We see their conversation as being productive. I can let you know -- and some of you may already know this -- they met virtually. The negotiators on both sides met virtually at 11:30 this morning. And we see this as a productive conversation, and it's moving forward in -- hopefully in the path where we would see a bipartisan, reasonable budget negotiation. 55

Question

Negative
00:09:25-00:09:45 (20 sec)
As these negotiations have progressed, there have been some concerns from progressive lawmakers about what the White House might be willing to give. Today, Congressman Jamaal Bowman told my colleague, Manu Raju, that "we don't negotiate with terrorists globally. Why are we going to negotiate with the economic terrorists here that are the Republican Party?" And he said he's "very concerned" that the President will give in to Republican demands for spending cuts. 56

Question

Leans Negative
00:09:45-00:09:54 (9 sec)
So what kind of assurances can you provide Congressman Bowman, perhaps Democrats across the country, who are concerned that this White House is going to allow spending cuts, not just a freeze? 57

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:09:54-00:10:20 (26 sec)
So, here's the thing: The President is fighting to protect clean energy manufacturing. He's fighting to protect healthcare. He's fighting to protect student debt relief and to lower costs for prescription drugs and save the government money. That is what the President is fighting for. That's what you saw in his March 9th budget. And that's what he's going to continue to do. He's fighting against a proposal that take away healthcare and increasingly put people in poverty -- American people in poverty. 58

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:10:20-00:10:40 (20 sec)
And so, you saw this. The President said this on Sunday. He's not going to agree on a deal that -- that protects a $30 billion tax break for Big Oil, which ma- -- which -- which made $200 billion last year, while putting healthcare for 21 million people -- 21 million Americans as- -- at risk by going after Medicaid. 59

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:10:40-00:10:53 (13 sec)
He's not going to agree to a deal that protects $200 billion in subsidies for Big Pharma -- you heard us say that -- and cuts over 100,000 schoolteachers and assistants and 30,000 law enforcement officers. We've been very clear about that. 60

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Negative
00:10:53-00:10:59 (6 sec)
And so, we have laid out what the President is fighting for. And he's going to continue to do that. 61

Question

Neutral
00:10:59-00:11:06 (7 sec)
But what I'm not hearing here, though, is that you're -- you're -- you're not ruling out cutting spending beyond this current fiscal year's levels. 62

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:11:06-00:11:13 (8 sec)
What I've -- what I've said, and I've been very clear: We're just not going to read out and not -- I'm not going to negotiate from here. I'm not going to read out conversations that we have from here. 63

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:11:13-00:11:25 (12 sec)
What I can say is -- lay out what the President said on Sunday. He's been very clear what he's fighting for. Healthcare, right? Clean energy manufacturing. He's helped -- he's fighting for -- to make sure that student debt relief exists. 64

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Negative
00:11:25-00:11:30 (4 sec)
All of those things are really key to what the President is fighting for. 65

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:11:30-00:11:39 (9 sec)
He is not for taking away people's healthcare; we're talking about 21 million people. He's not for that. And -- and pushing people into poverty? No. He's not for that either. 66

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:11:39-00:11:44 (5 sec)
So I'm not going to get into specifics of the negotiation, but that's what the President has been very clear on. 67

Question

Very Positive
00:11:44-00:11:50 (6 sec)
And lastly, is the President confident that he can deliver the necessary Democratic votes on any deal that he agrees to with Speaker McCarthy? 68

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:11:50-00:12:10 (19 sec)
So, look, a little bit about that. Look, I'm not going to get to speak to exact number, right? That's not something I'm going to do from here. But the President and the Speaker have said the only way forward is to have a bipartisan, reasonable budget agreement that's going to need both Democrats and Republicans in the House and in the Senate. 69

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:12:10-00:12:21 (12 sec)
And if you look at votes -- votes during the Trump administration -- 70 to -- 200 House Democrats voted to prevent default each time it came up during Donald Trump's tenure as President. 70

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:12:21-00:12:30 (9 sec)
And of course, the Senate requires 60 votes, as we all know, which will -- which will be nece- -- which will, of course, mean that you need a bipartisan vote in the Senate. 71

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:12:30-00:12:47 (17 sec)
So we know this vote will require, again, Democrats and Republican votes, so -- which means that when you negotiate, when these negotiations happen, both sides have to understand that neither side is going to get everything that they want. And so, that's what we're working towards. That's what you've been seeing from the negotiation team. 72

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:12:47-00:12:50 (2 sec)
Go ahead, Joey. And then I'll come back down. 73

Question

Very Positive
00:12:50-00:13:02 (13 sec)
Thanks, Karine. Secre- -- Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen yesterday said she would be soon providing a more precise X-date for default. Have you -- has the White House gotten any indication from Treasury of what that date could be? 74

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Negative
00:13:02-00:13:06 (4 sec)
No, we have not. That's something for -- that's something for the Treasury Department. 75

Question

Very Positive
00:13:06-00:13:13 (6 sec)
Well, so, are you -- is the White House operating under the assumption that a deal needs to be approved by June 1st? Or -- 76

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:13:13-00:13:37 (24 sec)
What I -- what I can really say about that is I can, you know, guess -- forward -- you know, send you to, refer you to Secretary Yellen, who has said that it would be as early as June 1st. And -- and today said -- and then recently said it would almost certainly be June 1st. I could just only forward -- refer you to what she has said previously -- most recently, I think, earlier this week. 77

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:13:37-00:13:43 (7 sec)
She has been pretty much communicating with all of you what the X-date is to the American people. And that's all I can really share with you. 78

Question

Positive
00:13:43-00:13:45 (2 sec)
But -- so the deal needs to be approved by June 1st, do you think? 79

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:13:45-00:14:07 (22 sec)
Well, we -- she has said the likely -- the likely X-date is June 1st. And so, we are trying to make sure that we get -- we get the budget negotiation done as soon as possible so that we can make sure that de- -- we avoid default. Again, but default is not negotiable. It is -- should be done without conditions. But, of course, we are working towards this budget negotiation. 80

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:14:07-00:14:08 (1 sec)
Go ahead. 81

Question

Leans Positive
00:14:08-00:14:21 (13 sec)
Thanks, Karine. Rep. Kevin Hern, who leads the largest Republican caucus, told Reuters earlier today that he believed a deal to raise the debt ceiling was likely by Friday afternoon. Can you comment on -- 82

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:14:21-00:14:30 (9 sec)
I don't have a timeline for you. We want this to be done as soon as possible. That's why the negotiators have been working around the clock -- 24 hours, practically -- to get this done. 83

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:14:30-00:14:38 (8 sec)
I just mentioned they met at 11:30 virtually. And, of course, this is a priority, and we certainly see the urgency of getting this done as soon as possible. 84

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:14:38-00:14:58 (20 sec)
But as it relates to the debt limit, this -- this can be done, as Shalanda Young said at this podium, the OMB director -- she said you can write this up in five minutes and get this done. You can write the piece of legislation in minutes and get that done and make sure that the Congress does its constitutional duty. It's not a hard thing to do. 85

Question

Unknown
00:14:58-00:15:02 (4 sec)
Can you at least give us a sense of whether negotiators are getting close? I know they met this morning. 86

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:15:02-00:15:11 (10 sec)
Well, I've said they've been pr- -- it's been productive. So, clearly, that means there continues to be a path forward. I not going to get ahead of this. I'm not going to get ahead of the -- the negotiation process. 87

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:15:11-00:15:22 (10 sec)
But as I've said many times: They are productive. They continue to talk. Negotiation -- you need to have a conversation. And that's continuing. And I think that's an important -- important step forward that we're seeing. 88

Question

Positive
00:15:22-00:15:29 (7 sec)
And we have reporting showing that both sides are edging close to a deal with parties just $70 billion apart on discretionary spending. 89

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:15:29-00:15:29 (1 sec)
I'm just not -- 90

Question

Unknown
00:15:29-00:15:30 ( sec)
Do you have a -- 91

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:15:30-00:15:31 (2 sec)
I'm not going to get into details from here. 92

Question

Slightly Negative
00:15:31-00:15:45 (13 sec)
Okay. And I have a quick one on Russia. Russia has moved ahead on Thursday with a plan to deploy tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus. This is the first such deployment since -- since 1991. Do you -- does the White House have a comment on that? 93

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:15:45-00:15:52 (7 sec)
So, look, we've seen the report of Russia-Belarus arrangement, and we'll continue to monitor, certainly, the implications here. 94

Karine Jean-Pierre

Negative
00:15:52-00:16:02 (10 sec)
We have not seen any reason to adjust our own nuclear posture -- you've heard us say that before -- nor any indications Russia is preparing to use nuclear weapons for Belarus. 95

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:16:02-00:16:16 (15 sec)
Speaking to that particular issue, this is yet another example of making irresponsible and provocative choices. So we remain committed to collective defense of the NATO Alliance. And I'll just leave it there. 96

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:16:16-00:16:18 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Weijia. 97

Question

Positive
00:16:18-00:16:28 (11 sec)
Thank you, Karine. When you say that default is not an option, is that equal to saying -- to guaranteeing that there will be a deal? Or is there a viable plan B? 98

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:16:28-00:16:55 (26 sec)
So, what I can say is: There is no -- there really -- this is the only option that we have, is for Congress to do its job, for Congress to deal with the debt limit. That's the only option in front of us. That is the best option for the American people. That's the best way to make sure that our economy is not -- doesn't get turned on its head, that we don't get a situation where we lees- -- we potentially lose up to 8 million jobs or devastate retirement accounts. 99

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:16:55-00:17:06 (11 sec)
That is not an option. So, we're go- -- we're being consistent here. We've been saying that they need to do their job. It is their constitutional duty. It's been done 78 times since 1960. That's what we're saying. 100

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:17:06-00:17:13 (7 sec)
As it relates to the budget negotiation, those are continuing. We are -- want to make sure that gets done as soon as possible, as well. 101

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:17:13-00:17:26 (12 sec)
It is important for the American people to see what we value and what we see in a bipartisan way that we're going to present to the American people, clearly also to Congress so that it can get both Democrat and Republican votes. 102

Question

Slightly Negative
00:17:26-00:17:28 (3 sec)
So if there is not a deal, there is no plan B? 103

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Negative
00:17:28-00:17:40 (12 sec)
What I can say is the only option right now is for the -- for Congress to do their jobs without conditions. That is the way that we need to move forward as it relates to the debt limit. 104

Question

Very Positive
00:17:40-00:17:53 (13 sec)
And one more on something the President said during his news conference. He suggested that MAGA Republicans may use default for political gain. Does he include Kevin McCarthy in that? 105

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:17:53-00:18:11 (18 sec)
So, look, we are working in good faith with Kevin McCarthy right now and with his team. And the hope is that we continue -- that continues -- right? -- the good faith -- the good-faith conversations to deal with the budget, to deal with the budget negotiations. So, that is something that I would say. 106

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:18:11-00:18:38 (27 sec)
As it relates -- you heard me talk about specifically about some -- what some House Republicans were saying yesterday. And what we wanted to make sure is that we laid out the facts, and that was coming from the House Freedom Caucus. And they were -- you heard them argue against preventing default and against negotiating for a bipartisan budget agreement in violation -- that is actually in violation of what the Speaker has said he wanted and what the Speaker has said he's committed to. 107

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:18:38-00:18:43 (4 sec)
So, we're going to flag that for all of you. We're going to flag that for the American people. 108

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:18:43-00:18:49 (6 sec)
But the Speaker was very clear last week. He said -- actually, this week -- he said that when it comes to default, it's off the table. 109

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:18:49-00:18:50 (1 sec)
Thank you. 110

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:18:50-00:18:51 (1 sec)
Go ahead. 111

Question

Positive
00:18:51-00:19:03 (12 sec)
Thanks, Karine. First of all, a housekeeping question. It's been few days since we've heard from the President directly on the state of negotiations. I'm wondering if we might hear from him either in the Rose Garden here shortly or later today to offer an update on the -- 112

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:19:03-00:19:04 (2 sec)
I would say: Stay tuned, my friend. 113

Question

Unknown
00:19:04-00:19:05 (1 sec)
"Stay tuned." All right. 114

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:19:05-00:19:06 (1 sec)
Stay tuned. 115

Question

Unknown
00:19:06-00:19:08 (1 sec)
I'll consider that. 116

Question

Unknown
00:19:08-00:19:12 (4 sec)
To follow up on Weijia's last question, the former President is in the area. He was spotted on -- 117

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:19:12-00:19:12 ( sec)
Which one? 118

Question

Unknown
00:19:12-00:19:13 (1 sec)
Former President Trump. 119

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:19:13-00:19:15 (2 sec)
Okay. There's a few formers out there -- 120

Question

Positive
00:19:15-00:19:16 (1 sec)
Yes, there are. 121

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:19:16-00:19:18 (2 sec)
-- so you have be clear. 122

Question

Somewhat Negative
00:19:18-00:19:39 (22 sec)
He was spotted across the river at the LIV Golf Tournament that's coming up this weekend here in the area. And a reporter from the New York Times covering the tournament spoke with him, and the former President showed, in fact, that he had recently spoken with Speaker McCarthy, said that they had a "little, quick talk," and he predicted that the debt talks were going to be -- getting a deal would be harder than people were expecting. 123

Question

Unknown
00:19:39-00:19:46 (7 sec)
I wonder if the White House has a reaction to the fact that the current Speaker is speaking to the former President at the time his team is talking to the current President. 124

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Negative
00:19:46-00:19:55 (9 sec)
So, look, the Speaker is allowed to speak to whoever he chooses and wants to speak to. So I'm not going to, certainly, dive into that or step in -- step on that. 125

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:19:55-00:20:01 (6 sec)
What I can speak to is what the Speaker has said very publicly himself just this week: that default is off the table. 126

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:20:01-00:20:07 (5 sec)
We are continuing to have productive conversations. Negotiations continue. 127

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:20:07-00:20:16 (9 sec)
Again, I just mentioned how the -- the two teams met this morning virtually at 11:30. That is a good sign. That is a good sign that those talks are certainly continuing. 128

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:20:16-00:20:32 (16 sec)
And, look, we have said we think there's a path forward. There's a path forward to a bipartisan, reasonable budget agreement. And -- and as long as both sides understand that no one is going to get everything that it wants, then we can get there. We can get there. 129

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:20:32-00:20:38 (6 sec)
This is about the American people. This is about American families, making sure that we are meeting their needs. And that -- that should be the focus. 130

Question

Leans Negative
00:20:38-00:20:41 (3 sec)
So, that's not an indication of bad faith if the Speaker is either receiving -- 131

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:20:41-00:20:42 (1 sec)
I mean, all I -- 132

Question

Unknown
00:20:42-00:20:42 (1 sec)
-- or placing a call -- 133

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:20:42-00:20:43 (1 sec)
Look, I mean -- 134

Question

Unknown
00:20:43-00:20:45 (1 sec)
-- to the former President? 135

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:20:45-00:20:50 (6 sec)
Look, I can't -- I don't know what the Speaker said to the former President. I cannot speak to that. You would have to speak -- ask the Speaker directly. 136

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:20:50-00:21:05 (15 sec)
What I can speak to is what we heard from -- direct from the Speaker directly and what his team -- what his team is doing. It is co- -- we're continuing to have these good-faith conversations. That's what's important. The negotiations continue. And so I think that's what's important here. 137

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:21:05-00:21:11 (6 sec)
I -- I cannot speak to a conversation -- a hearsay conversation that is occurring -- that occurred. I just can't speak to that. 138

Question

Unknown
00:21:11-00:21:16 (5 sec)
Then on another topic. As I was following Twitter last night, during the announcement of Ron DeSantis -- 139

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:21:16-00:21:16 ( sec)
How'd it go? 140

Question

Very Positive
00:21:16-00:21:25 (9 sec)
-- and his candidacy, it appeared that there were some members of the President's team who were doing the same and maybe enjoying a little bit of the glitches that appeared to be happening. 141

Question

Unknown
00:21:25-00:21:26 (1 sec)
I wonder if you have any reaction -- 142

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:21:26-00:21:27 (1 sec)
Was there a glitch? 143

Question

Unknown
00:21:27-00:21:38 (11 sec)
-- to that but, also, to the fact that Elon Musk is offering this platform to a, you know, potential leading Republican candidate for the office. Would the President consider doing the same on that same platform? 144

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:21:38-00:21:45 (7 sec)
So, look, I'm not going to speak to Twitter and their operation as a private company. Just not going to do that from here. 145

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:21:45-00:22:05 (19 sec)
As you know, we follow the law here. This is an administration that cares about the law and about not -- certainly not using taxpayer money to campaign from here. That is something that we've been pretty consistent. And we've also -- you know, I just got questions from your colleagues about the President's policies and his agenda and how he sees moving forward, especially on the economy. 146

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Negative
00:22:05-00:22:12 (8 sec)
And so, honestly, we just haven't had the time to take in any rapid unscheduled disassemblies, if you will. And so, I'll just leave it at that. 147

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:22:12-00:22:27 (15 sec)
I think -- I'll just add, really, you know, the President's -- the President's focus is on middle-class Americans, is on working Americans, making sure that we deliver an economy that works for them, that doesn't leave them behind, that builds an economy from the bottom up, middle out. That's our focus. 148

Question

Unknown
00:22:27-00:22:29 (2 sec)
I know there is a gather right now. 149

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:22:29-00:22:30 (1 sec)
Right now? 150

Question

Slightly Positive
00:22:30-00:22:31 (1 sec)
Yeah. 151

Olivia Dalton

Slightly Positive
00:22:31-00:22:33 (1 sec)
Yeah, it's going to be in a minute. 152

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:22:33-00:22:33 (1 sec)
Oh, it's early. 153

Question

Unknown
00:22:33-00:22:35 (2 sec)
But if it's possible to keep going after the gather? 154

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:22:35-00:22:36 (1 sec)
Okay. Okay, well -- 155

Olivia Dalton

Slightly Positive
00:22:36-00:22:38 (2 sec)
Well, the President is going to start speaking in 10 minutes, so -- 156

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:22:38-00:22:39 (1 sec)
Okay. Wow. Okay. 157

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:22:39-00:22:41 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Nadia. 158

Question

Somewhat Negative
00:22:41-00:22:47 (6 sec)
Thank you, Karine. Do you worry that the spending cuts might affect Ukraine assistance in the long run? 159

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:22:47-00:23:05 (18 sec)
So, as you've heard us say many times before, the President has been clear that it will -- he's going to continue to work with our allies and partners to support Ukraine as long as it takes. That is a commitment that we have to the Ukrainian people. You've heard that from the President, you've heard that from my NSC colleagues, and you certainly have heard that from me. 160

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:23:05-00:23:23 (18 sec)
So we have been gratified and pleased to see the bipartisanship -- the bipartisan support for Ukraine -- Ukraine from members of both parties, in both the House and the Senate. And so -- and we expect that to continue, and I'll leave it there for -- for the -- as it relates to the aid. 161

Question

Unknown
00:23:23-00:23:24 (2 sec)
I have a quick question on Russia. 162

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:23:24-00:23:25 ( sec)
Sure. 163

Question

Negative
00:23:25-00:23:45 (21 sec)
The Wagner Group said after the -- cleared Bakhmut that -- basically inviting the Russian army to take over. And they say if they don't, then we are bigger than the Russian army. I know that the White House declared them a terrorist and a criminal group, but is there anything more that you can do to curtail their influence? 164

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Positive
00:23:45-00:23:57 (12 sec)
So, look, I'm going to leave it to -- to others analyze Mr. Prigozhin's colorf- -- colorful statements that he made yesterday. So I'll leave it to others. Certainly not going to step into that. 165

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:23:57-00:24:27 (30 sec)
But I'll just say this -- that when it comes to the United States and our commitment to holding those responsible for pe- -- perpetrating Russia's war against Ukraine to account, that's what we're going to do. We've been very clear about that as well. That includes the Wagner Group, against which we have taken specific actions, including through sac- -- sanctions, and by designating them as a trans- -- transnational criminal organization, a result of their destabilizing action and criminal activity and human rights abuses in Ukraine and around the world. 166

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:24:27-00:24:44 (17 sec)
These designations and other actions have frozen the Wagner Group's assets in the U.S. and prohibited Americans from providing -- providing food and -- and funds, I'm sorry, gu- -- goods and services to the group. So we'll continue to take action and to hold them into account. And that has been our commitment for the past several months. 167

Olivia Dalton

Unknown
00:24:44-00:24:48 (4 sec)
We need to have them gather. The President -- it's that time. 168

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:24:48-00:24:49 (1 sec)
Okay. Okay. 169

Olivia Dalton

Unknown
00:24:49-00:24:50 (1 sec)
You can take a few more. 170

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:24:50-00:24:52 (2 sec)
Okay. What time do they need to gather? 171

Olivia Dalton

Unknown
00:24:52-00:24:53 (1 sec)
Right now, but -- 172

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:24:53-00:24:54 ( sec)
Right now? 173

Olivia Dalton

Unknown
00:24:54-00:24:55 (2 sec)
-- you can stick around and answer more questions [inaudible]. 174

Question

Unknown
00:24:55-00:24:56 (1 sec)
Just six more. 175

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:24:56-00:24:57 (1 sec)
Okay. [Laughs] 176

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:24:57-00:25:00 (3 sec)
Why don't -- doesn't the pool gather and I'll take -- I'll take a couple more -- a couple more. 177

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:25:00-00:25:01 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Garrett. 178

Question

Positive
00:25:01-00:25:02 (1 sec)
Thanks, Karine. 179

Question

Unknown
00:25:02-00:25:06 (4 sec)
Everybody needs -- it's open press, so everybody needs to gather. 180

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:25:06-00:25:09 (3 sec)
Okay. Well, we'll -- we'll do the best that we can. 181

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:25:09-00:25:10 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Garrett. 182

Question

Very Positive
00:25:10-00:25:32 (22 sec)
Thanks, Karine. On General Brown's appointment as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, obviously, if he's confirmed, he will become only the second African American to serve in this role. And he would also make history with Secretary Austin as the -- for the first time in history, the first top two Pentagon positions being occupied by African Americans. What significance does this hold for this White House? 183

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:25:32-00:25:44 (12 sec)
So, look, let me just first say -- and the President is going to speak to this in -- in just a few moments, so, certainly, I'm sure you'll -- you'll take his re- -- his -- his response to this important appointment. 184

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:25:44-00:26:12 (28 sec)
But I want to recognize Chairman Milley's lifetime of service to our country. The President is immensely grateful to Chairman Milley, who has been a close and trusted adviser to President Biden over the past two and a half years, and for who -- for -- for who -- for how he has worked with Secretary Austin to help our military address significant challenges, respond to new threats, and end America's longest war, and strengthen alliances and partnerships around the world. 185

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:26:12-00:26:38 (26 sec)
And General Brown -- the President knows that he will benefit from a leader with a wealth of military experience shaped in both peace- -- peacetime and war, just like he has from Chairman Milley, as well as someone who understands the strategic challenges that lies ahead, that we face -- that U.S. faces around the world, but who also will ably represent the men and women of our armed forces as well as their -- as their families. 186

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:26:38-00:27:06 (28 sec)
And so, look, he's immensely talented. He's -- it has been amazing to -- to watch this process. He's clearly going to make history. He's already made history as our nation's first Black service chief. And he has been an important voice helping make our armed forces more inclusive, including through the video he recorded three years ago, just after the murder of George Floyd that went viral and struck a chord with Americans across the street -- across -- I'm sorry -- across the country. 187

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:27:06-00:27:17 (11 sec)
So, clearly, this is important. We are -- the President is proud to -- to nominate him. I'm going to let the President speak more about the importance of his historical choice. 188

Question

Unknown
00:27:17-00:27:25 (8 sec)
Can we follow up on -- on the George Floyd anniversary? Has the White House been in touch with the Floyd family and maybe updating them on these -- on the implementation of the EO? 189

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Positive
00:27:25-00:27:35 (10 sec)
No. It's a good question. We just don't have any calls to preview. As you know, the President has spoken and met with the family multiple times. And they were -- they were here recently at the White House just last year. 190

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:27:35-00:27:36 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Ed. 191

Question

Very Positive
00:27:36-00:27:53 (16 sec)
Thanks, Karine. So Fitch, a credit rating agency, has already put the U.S. in a "credit negative watch." That's one domino that needs to fall before a downgrade. The President is going to Camp David this weekend and going to Delaware. Can you describe the sense of urgency that the President feels to get a deal done? 192

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:27:53-00:28:03 (11 sec)
There's all -- there's all -- there's always been urgency. We have called this out over and over again -- how urgent it is to get this done. It is just one more piece of evidence, if you will. 193

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:28:03-00:28:25 (22 sec)
So, we've been laying out, again, for months and months, how catastrophic this could be if Con- -- if the Congress didn't do its job and deal with the debt limit, as it's constitutional for them to be doing. That includes impacts to the credit rating of the United States -- a reflection of our full faith and credit. And also, this underscores the need for swift bipartisan action by Congress to prevent default. 194

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:28:25-00:28:38 (13 sec)
This is -- has to be done in a bipartisan way. This has been done 78 times since 1960. We have been calling out the urgency of getting the debt limit done -- for Congress to get the debt limit done for weeks now, for months. 195

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:28:38-00:28:49 (11 sec)
And so, this is just another piece of evidence that default should not be an option. It is not an option. All the leaders who have met -- the congressional leaders who have met with the President have said default is off the table. 196

Question

Unknown
00:28:49-00:29:03 (14 sec)
So, even if a deal is done today, the process could still take us into the middle of June to get it to the President's desk and to sign it. So, is there a message then to companies, people about that, that could be past the X-date? 197

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:29:03-00:29:21 (18 sec)
So, look, as I've said, what the -- our message to the Pres- -- from the President to the American people is that we are fighting. We are fighting to make sure that we protect American families. We are fighting to make sure that -- that, you know, we're continuing to build a economy from the bottom up, middle out. 198

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:29:21-00:29:24 (3 sec)
This is what we are fighting for. This is what the President is fighting for. 199

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:29:24-00:29:34 (11 sec)
We're going to continue to tell and continue to say what we've been saying for months, which is: Congress needs to get this done. It needs to be done in a bipartisan way. It's been done, again, 78 times since 1960. 200

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:29:34-00:29:39 (5 sec)
So, this is an important, important -- clearly constitutional duty that Congress needs to act on. 201

Question

Slightly Positive
00:29:39-00:29:41 (2 sec)
And [inaudible] can guarantee that any deal will be fast-tracked? 202

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:29:41-00:29:47 (6 sec)
We've already said how urgent this is. We've been very clear about how urgent it is to deal with the debt limit. 203

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:29:47-00:29:54 (6 sec)
Again, this is another piece of evidence that we are seeing that lays that out -- that lays out that default is not an option. 204

Question

Positive
00:29:54-00:29:57 (4 sec)
Thanks, Karine. I know that the President is going to chat. 205

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:29:57-00:30:01 (3 sec)
All right. Thank you. Thanks, guys. 206