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Press Conference: Karine Jean-Pierre Holds a Press Briefing at The White House - November 20, 2023

  • John Kirby
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  • Karine Jean-Pierre
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  • Question
    Person
Slightly Negative

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:00:00-00:00:05 (5 sec)
Oh, where is everybody? Oh, it's holidays. 1

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:00:05-00:00:08 (3 sec)
Well, good afternoon, everyone. Good afternoon, everybody. 2

Question

Positive
00:00:08-00:00:10 (2 sec)
Good afternoon! 3

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:00:10-00:00:27 (17 sec)
[Laughs] Happy Monday. All right. This Thanksgiving, we have a lot to be thankful for. While inflation caused by the pandemic and Russia's war continues to be a challenge, we have seen important progress. 4

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:00:27-00:00:40 (13 sec)
Just in a time -- just in time for holiday travel, gas prices are down $1.70 from their peak, airline tickets are down 13 percent over the last year, and car rentals are down about 10 percent. 5

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Negative
00:00:40-00:00:53 (13 sec)
And as we start preparing our Thanksgiving meals, grocery inflation is at its lowest level in over two years, with prices for eggs, milk, bacon, and fresh veggies lower than last year. 6

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:00:53-00:01:06 (13 sec)
In fact, according to the American Farm Bureau, the cost of a Thanksgiving dinner fell this year. Prices are down for turkey, stuffing, peas, cranberries, pie crust, and whipping cream. 7

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Positive
00:01:06-00:01:14 (8 sec)
We had a big discussion about whipping cream in the back. [Laughter] It was like -- I don't know what "whipping cream" is. I know "whipped cream" but not "whipping cream." Anyway. 8

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:01:14-00:01:23 (8 sec)
Because wages are rising, this Thanksgiving dinner is the fourth-cheapest ever as a percentage of average earnings. 9

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:01:23-00:01:35 (13 sec)
Finally, as we look ahead to holi- -- to holiday shopping, since last year, prices for toys are down about 4 percent, used cars and trucks are down 7 percent, and TVs are down 9 percent. 10

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:01:35-00:01:55 (20 sec)
Lowering costs for Americans continues to be the President's top economic priority. From strengthening supply -- supply chains, to lowering energy and healthcare costs, to cracking down on price gouging by ba- -- banning hidden junk fees, President Biden's policy will continue bringing relief to American families. 11

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:01:55-00:02:15 (20 sec)
Meanwhile, instead of lowering costs for middle-class families, congressional Republicans are trying to lower costs for the wealthy and special interests -- lower taxes, to be more exact -- including big corporations that are fighting tooth and nail to stop the President's efforts to ban junk fees. 12

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:02:15-00:02:39 (24 sec)
Now, today, on Transgender Day of Remembrance, we grieve the 26 transgender Americans who were killed this year. Year after year, we see that these victims are disproportionately Black women and women of color. No one should face violence, live in fear, or be discriminated against simply for being themselves. 13

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:02:39-00:02:53 (14 sec)
As the President said, there's still more to do to meet the promise. And it's why this administration has taken urgent action to strengthen rights and protect the safety of transgender Americans and all LGBTQ+ Americans. 14

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:02:53-00:03:07 (14 sec)
As we mourn the loss of lives that have been taken too soon, we must also recommit ourselves to never stop fighting until all Americans can live free from discrimination and also from hate. 15

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:03:07-00:03:16 (9 sec)
With that, Admiral John Kirby is here today to take any questions that you may have, obviously, on the foreign policy front and to give any updates that we have on the Middle East. 16

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:03:16-00:03:17 ( sec)
Admiral. 17

John Kirby

Positive
00:03:17-00:03:18 (2 sec)
Thanks, Karine. 18

John Kirby

Unknown
00:03:18-00:03:20 (1 sec)
You all right there? 19

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:03:20-00:03:21 (2 sec)
Yep. 20

Question

Unknown
00:03:21-00:03:24 (3 sec)
What happened? 21

John Kirby

Unknown
00:03:24-00:03:26 (1 sec)
Let's just move right to the topper. [Laughter] 22

John Kirby

Neutral
00:03:26-00:03:37 (12 sec)
So, today, I think you know, Secretary Austin is in Kyiv to meet with Ukraine's leaders and reinforce our staunch support for Ukraine's fight for freedom against Russia's brutal invasion. 23

John Kirby

Neutral
00:03:37-00:03:45 (8 sec)
The Secretary underscored President Biden's abiding commitment to provide Ukraine with the weapons and equipment that it needs to retake its sovereign territory and defend itself. 24

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:03:45-00:03:57 (12 sec)
Now, in Kyiv, Secretary Austin announced a new security assistance package using previously authorized presi- -- presidential drawdown authorities. It includes Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and additional HIMARS systems, additional 25

John Kirby

Unknown
00:03:57-00:04:08 (12 sec)
HIMARS ammunition, 155 millimeter and 105 millimeter artillery rounds, Javelin and AT-4 anti-tank systems, and, of course, millions of rounds of small-arms ammunition. 26

John Kirby

Neutral
00:04:08-00:04:16 (8 sec)
This announcement will obviously help keep -- meet Ukraine's immediate battlefield needs, but only just that. 27

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:04:16-00:04:34 (17 sec)
Again, we want to urge Congress to pass the supplemental request that we put in front of them to allow us to keep supporting Ukraine in an unimpeded, uninterrupted way. The runway continues to get shorter with each -- every -- each and every passing assistance package that -- that we provide them. 28

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:04:34-00:04:46 (12 sec)
As President Biden has said, when aggressors don't pay a price for their aggression, they'll cause more chaos and death and destruction. They just keep on going, and the cost and the threats to America and to the world will keep rising. 29

John Kirby

Unknown
00:04:46-00:04:53 (7 sec)
So, the actions that we take and, just as critically, the potential actions we don't take will reverberate for many years to come. 30

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:04:53-00:05:06 (14 sec)
Speaking of that, I'm sure you saw the op-ed piece that the President wrote for the Washington Post over the weekend, laying out how the world faces an inflection point right now, again, about -- where the choices we make will determine our future for generations to come. 31

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:05:06-00:05:21 (15 sec)
As he noted, we continue to stand firmly with the Israeli people as they defend themselves against Hamas -- a terrorist group that has vowed to wipe Israel off the map and has promised to conduct attacks similar to ones on Sep- -- the 7th of October again and again and again. 32

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:05:21-00:05:33 (12 sec)
So, President Biden and the team here is doing everything we can to help get the hostages that Hamas took -- get them released, including young children and, of course, Americans that are in that po- -- pool. 33

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:05:33-00:05:51 (17 sec)
I think -- I know this is of great interest to all of you. I just want to let you know we're still working this hour by hour. I do not have an update for you on the hostage deal that we're trying to negotiate, but as you heard the Deputy National Security Advisor say yesterday, we believe we're closer than we've ever been. 34

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:05:51-00:06:00 (9 sec)
So, we're hopeful, but -- but there's still work to be done. And nothing is done until it's all done, so we're going to keep working on this. 35

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:06:00-00:06:18 (18 sec)
We're also working to increase the flow of lifesaving humanitarian assistance: food, water, medicine. We're calling for respecting the inter- -- international law in terms of minimizing the loss of innocent lives. And, of course, we're continuing to advocate for humanitarian pauses so that people can out of harm's way and that aid and assistance can get in. 36

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:06:18-00:06:28 (11 sec)
And, of course, you saw us le- -- levy multiple rounds of sanctions to degrade Hamas's financial structure, cutting them off from outside funding and trying to make it harder for them to be able to resource the kinds of attacks that they conducted on the 7th of October. 37

John Kirby

Unknown
00:06:28-00:06:32 (3 sec)
So, just a real quick update on the latest figures, and then I'll be done. 38

John Kirby

Unknown
00:06:32-00:06:36 (4 sec)
Over the last couple of days, the 19th -- the 18th and 19th of November, almost 100 trucks carrying humanitarian aid were able to enter Gaza. That brings the total to over 1,260. 39

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:06:36-00:06:48 (11 sec)
And then, following Israel's announcement that it's allowing fuel now into Gaza to support nongovernmental organizations at our strong request, we are now tracking that six trucks have cro- -- crossed now into Gaza with approximately 18,000 gallons of fuel. That will help support food distribution and it will help generators for -- for the hospitals so they can keep working. 40

John Kirby

Positive
00:06:48-00:06:54 (7 sec)
Again, we expect those deliveries to continue on a regular basis and hopefully in larger quantities. I'm talking about the fuel specifically there. 41

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:06:54-00:07:05 (11 sec)
And then, just lastly, the total number of U.S. citizens that we've been able to move out of Gaza through that Rafah Crossing is now up to 800. We're continuing to work that every day as well. 42

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:07:05-00:07:06 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Steve. 43

Question

Very Positive
00:07:06-00:07:15 (9 sec)
Thank you, John. The United Nations says nowhere is safe in Gaza. Is the U.S. working with Israel to create a safe area in Gaza for civilians? 44

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:07:15-00:07:37 (22 sec)
What we've talked to the Israelis about, particularly now as they're beginning to plan operations in the south where so many people have moved, is to make it clear that they have obligations to not only allow for that safe passage but -- but to make sure they're not putting all those civilians -- now more civilians in Southern Gaza than were before -- putting them in harm's way. 45

Question

Neutral
00:07:37-00:07:46 (9 sec)
And secondly, I know you don't want to talk about hostages. But in general, is Israel on board with the idea of a pause of a few days? 46

John Kirby

Unknown
00:07:46-00:08:02 (16 sec)
That gets into our negotiations here for the hostages. They have instituted -- again, at our urging, they've instituted these daily humanitarian pauses. And in some cases -- they were supposed to be four hours a day -- they've actually expanded them up to seven hours a day. 47

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:08:02-00:08:14 (12 sec)
So, they're happening on a regular basis. And they're predominantly designed to allow people fro- -- in the north to move through a couple of safe corridors to the south. So, it's a pause to let people get out. That's the principal purpose of that. 48

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:08:14-00:08:37 (23 sec)
But I think you can imagine -- and, again, I want to be careful here; I don't want to negotiate in public. But if you're going to secure the release of hostages -- and we certainly hope we're going to be able to do that soon -- you got to make sure they can get from where they are to safety and do that as safely as possible, which means you're going to have to have at least a temporary localized stop in the fighting to allow them to move. 49

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:08:37-00:08:46 (8 sec)
I mean, we also can't take for granted that all of these people are easily mobile and don't have some sort of health issues that require perhaps a slower route out or assistance getting out. 50

John Kirby

Neutral
00:08:46-00:08:52 (6 sec)
So, I don't -- again, don't want to negotiate in public. But -- but we believe we're getting closer. 51

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:08:52-00:08:53 (1 sec)
Michael. 52

Question

Unknown
00:08:53-00:09:04 (11 sec)
John, you talked about the negotiations. Everybody has been sort of talking about the swirl of -- you know, the contacts between the U.S. and Israel and Qatar and Hamas. 53

Question

Very Negative
00:09:04-00:09:32 (28 sec)
What -- and when you talk to the family members, one of their deep, abiding frustrations is that it's, I think, day 45, and they don't have any information -- proof of life, conditions -- that -- that normally the Red Cross would -- would go in, would at least, you know, determine something about the fate of their -- you know, some of these people are -- you know, believe that their -- their loved ones either are sick or need medicine or -- or have been injured or whatever. 54

Question

Unknown
00:09:32-00:09:52 (20 sec)
You know, is there -- is there nothing that the U.S. and Israeli governments can tell the hostage families without compromising the -- the ongoing negotiations to actually get some release? And if not, what -- to what do you explain -- what do you think explains the fact that the Red Cross hasn't been able to get in there? 55

John Kirby

Unknown
00:09:52-00:10:08 (16 sec)
I can't speak specifically to the Red Cross access. You know, Hamas has control here over where they are and how they are. So, it could be an issue of Hamas holding -- holding that kind of access up. 56

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:10:08-00:10:25 (16 sec)
I can tell you we're doing the best we can with the information that we have to keep the families informed -- American families informed. And we -- there's not that many of them. We know who they are, and we're doing the best we can to keep them in- -- informed, including keeping them informed on the -- the process of trying to secure release. 57

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:10:25-00:10:47 (23 sec)
But it's a -- I'm not going to -- you know, I'm not going to lie here. It -- you know, there's, in some cases, a paucity of information. I mean, it's just -- it has been difficult to get any great detail on every single hostage -- where they are, how they are -- you know, and -- and move that process forward in terms of informing the families. 58

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:10:47-00:10:58 (11 sec)
It doesn't -- we'll do what we can. We're informing them to the maximum degree we can. They have a right to know everything that -- that -- that we know. And we'll just -- we'll just keep doing it on our own as best we can. 59

Question

Positive
00:10:58-00:11:04 (6 sec)
Thanks so much, John. Has the President had any additional calls with world leaders about the hostage deal today? 60

John Kirby

Unknown
00:11:04-00:11:06 (2 sec)
Not that I'm tracking today. 61

Question

Unknown
00:11:06-00:11:08 (2 sec)
And was the last time he spoke to Prime Minister Netanyahu -- 62

John Kirby

Unknown
00:11:08-00:11:08 (1 sec)
The last chat -- 63

Question

Unknown
00:11:08-00:11:09 (1 sec)
-- last Tuesday? 64

John Kirby

Unknown
00:11:09-00:11:10 (1 sec)
-- the last call that they had. 65

Question

Very Positive
00:11:10-00:11:21 (11 sec)
Can you just give us a sense of the level of trust right now? And I know you can't speak to specifics, but in these negotiations, how much trust is there in those conversations of all pa- -- between all parties over the hostage deal? 66

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:11:21-00:11:47 (25 sec)
It's a negotiation. And it's over human lives. You -- you do the best you can going back and forth with the arrangements, which we're doing right now. And at some point, when you come down to executing -- you know, when you hit "go" -- then you're counting on everybody to meet their commitments. And that's what -- that's what we're doing. 67

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:11:47-00:11:47 ( sec)
Gabe. 68

Question

Leans Negative
00:11:47-00:12:01 (14 sec)
Admiral, over the weekend, President Biden, in his op-ed, said that the U.S. was preparing to issue visa bans against Israeli extremists attacking civilians on the West Bank. What effect would that actually have? 69

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:12:01-00:12:08 (7 sec)
Well, that would -- if you were to do -- con- -- impose a visa ban, it would prevent that individual from -- from traveling -- 70

Question

Unknown
00:12:08-00:12:08 ( sec)
But -- 71

John Kirby

Positive
00:12:08-00:12:09 (1 sec)
-- to the United States. 72

Question

Unknown
00:12:09-00:12:13 (3 sec)
-- is there any timeline on when that might be instituted? 73

John Kirby

Unknown
00:12:13-00:12:14 (2 sec)
I don't have a timeline for you. 74

Question

Unknown
00:12:14-00:12:15 (1 sec)
But -- 75

John Kirby

Unknown
00:12:15-00:12:16 (1 sec)
Nor do I have a final -- 76

Question

Unknown
00:12:16-00:12:17 ( sec)
Is that -- is that -- 77

John Kirby

Unknown
00:12:17-00:12:17 ( sec)
-- decision. 78

Question

Unknown
00:12:17-00:12:18 (1 sec)
-- meant to be the terms of -- 79

John Kirby

Unknown
00:12:18-00:12:18 (1 sec)
Nor do I have a final decision. 80

Question

Somewhat Negative
00:12:18-00:12:25 (7 sec)
Is -- is the Biden administration upset by how this is playing out in the West Bank -- what those extremists are doing to Palestinians on the West Bank? 81

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:12:25-00:12:37 (13 sec)
Of course, we are. Of course, we are. The President has spoken to this many, many times, including from the Rose Garden when he was here with the Australian Prime Minister. I mean, what's happening with the settler violence is unacceptable. Absolutely reprehensible. 82

John Kirby

Neutral
00:12:37-00:12:50 (12 sec)
And yes, we -- and we wouldn't have talked about the potential of examining visa bans -- and, again, no final decision here -- if it -- if it wasn't just another clear statement of -- of our deep concern over this. 83

Question

Unknown
00:12:50-00:12:52 (2 sec)
What other sanctions are being considered besides the visa bans? 84

John Kirby

Unknown
00:12:52-00:12:53 (1 sec)
I don't have anything else. 85

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:12:53-00:12:54 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Annie. 86

Question

Leans Positive
00:12:54-00:13:02 (8 sec)
Oh, thanks so much. There's been fighting over the last few days and hours around the Indonesian Hospital in Gaza. 87

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:13:02-00:13:02 ( sec)
Yeah. 88

Question

Very Positive
00:13:02-00:13:14 (12 sec)
Can you speak to whether or not there is U.S. intelligence that suggests that that, too, is some sort of hub for Hamas activity and what the U.S. feeling is about those reports of shelling in and near that hospital. 89

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:13:14-00:13:37 (23 sec)
Hospitals should not be the scenes of firefights. We've been very clear about that. We got patients in there, you got medical staff, you got people whose lives are literally at risk and are innocent victims of this. They shouldn't be put at -- at more risk than they already are being held up in a -- in a hospital -- or holed up in a hospital because of health issues, can't -- and can't move. So, we don't want to see firefights in hospitals. 90

John Kirby

Positive
00:13:37-00:13:44 (7 sec)
I don't have any specific intelligence about the degree to which Hamas is or is not using that particular hospital. Nothing to share today. 91

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:13:44-00:13:45 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Mark. 92

Question

Very Negative
00:13:45-00:14:04 (19 sec)
John, I was just curious. You mentioned Hamas is still determined to try and carry out any sort of terrorist attack abroad this Thanksgiving week. Is there any elevated risk of terror attacks here at home, and are -- is the White House or NSC doing anything specific? Because of the holiday week, most people, obviously, kind of check out in D.C. I'm just curious, are you staffing up in a difference -- because of the terror threat? 93

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:14:04-00:14:28 (24 sec)
We're not tracking any specific, credible threat here at home over the holiday. That said, I think you can understand we -- we're going to be as vigilant as we have been since this conflict began and certainly make sure that -- that we, to the best we can, can identify any potential domestic threats and disrupt them before they can take place. 94

John Kirby

Negative
00:14:28-00:14:42 (14 sec)
We're watching this all very, very closely for spillover effects from the fight between Israel and Hamas, both against the Jewish community and, of course, the Muslim community here in the United States. But, again, I'm not tracking any specific, credible threat that -- that's being acted on at this time. 95

Question

Leans Negative
00:14:42-00:15:06 (24 sec)
Back at the Indonesian Hospital, my colleague spoke with the hospital administrator who said that President Biden needs to do more to protect hospitals in Gaza because, quote, "he's the only one Netanyahu will listen to." Could you comment on that? And also, is the U.S. at all concerned that Israel keeps it -- is being seen, rather, as attacking one Gaza hospital after another and also areas in the south now? 96

John Kirby

Neutral
00:15:06-00:15:31 (25 sec)
The President in every conversation that he has with Prime Minister Netanyahu -- and it's not just him -- Secretary Blinken, Secretary Austin, Jake Sullivan, the whole team here -- at every instance continues to urge the Israelis to be as cautious and deliberate and as careful as they can in conducting these operations against Hamas, which they have a right and a responsibility to do, to go after Hamas. 97

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:15:31-00:15:44 (12 sec)
They also have a right and responsibility -- and added burden, if you will, because of the way Hamas fights -- to do everything they can to look after civilian casualties. It is a part of every discussion that we're having with our Israeli counterparts. 98

John Kirby

Neutral
00:15:44-00:15:46 (2 sec)
And, I'm sorry, the second question was? 99

Question

Neutral
00:15:46-00:15:51 (5 sec)
The second question was: Is the United States at all concerned that Israel is seen attacking hospital after hospital? 100

John Kirby

Neutral
00:15:51-00:16:00 (9 sec)
Oh. Well, as I -- as I said, I think, in my previous answer, we don't want to see hospitals as battlegrounds. We don't want to see firefights in hospitals. 101

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:16:00-00:16:13 (13 sec)
Now, as we've also said -- at least when it comes to al-Shifa; I don't have any intelligence on this Indonesia hospital. But at Al-Shifa, we did have intelligence that corroborated the Israeli claims that Hamas was using it as a command-and-control node. 102

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:16:13-00:16:29 (16 sec)
So, it puts an added burden on Israel as they conduct operations in and around hospitals to be even more discriminant and more careful. Because, again, you've got real live patients, real live doctors, real live nurses that you got to look out -- out for. 103

John Kirby

Neutral
00:16:29-00:16:45 (16 sec)
On the other hand, you've got a real live threat. You got a group that seems to think it's okay to bury themselves in the basement of a hospital and use it to command and control their operations. And that presents a viable, legitimate threat to the security of the Israeli people. So, it's about striking that balance. 104

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:16:45-00:16:46 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Nancy. 105

Question

Positive
00:16:46-00:17:16 (30 sec)
Thank you. John, the White House condemned Elon Musk in pretty strong terms last week after he once again said something that was considered antisemitic. You called his comments "abhorrent." This administration, this government is very reliant on Elon Musk, particularly SpaceX technology, Starlink technology. Have there been any efforts made to wean the government off of his technology or find some kind of replacement for it? 106

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:17:16-00:17:26 (10 sec)
I'm not aware of any efforts to do that, Nancy, but I think we've been very clear about the rhetoric and how inappropriate it is. And we'll call that out every time we see it. 107

Question

Slightly Negative
00:17:26-00:17:38 (12 sec)
But is the President concerned that the Pentagon and NASA are so reliant on someone who holds these views and appears to even more routinely embrace conspiracy theories? 108

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:17:38-00:17:59 (21 sec)
We're -- we're -- we rely on a lot of the defense industry, a lot of the private sector to help us with our innovation, to help us with research and development on new systems, and to help us in the realm of space and cyberspace. 109

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:17:59-00:18:12 (13 sec)
There's a -- there's a real benefit to private-public partnership when it comes to those kinds of national security threats and national security challenges. There's innovation out there in the private sector that we'd be foolish to -- to walk away from. 110

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:18:12-00:18:42 (29 sec)
I'm not aware of any specific efforts to address -- to address our concerns over his rhetoric through -- through the way that -- that his companies provide support to our national security establishment. But that doesn't mean that we accept or -- or agree with or condone, in any way, that antisemitic rhetoric that he pushed. 111

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:18:42-00:18:43 (1 sec)
Go ahead, M.J. 112

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:18:43-00:18:57 (14 sec)
Thank you, John. Does the U.S. have any assessment of what the Israeli military is describing as CCTV footage of Hamas bringing through hostages through Al-Shifa hospital on October 7th? 113

John Kirby

Unknown
00:18:57-00:18:58 (1 sec)
I don't. 114

Question

Very Positive
00:18:58-00:19:15 (17 sec)
Okay. On the hostages, if women and children end up being released first, which is what it sounds like the situation is probably headed towards, does the U.S. have any sense of how many in that mix might be American citizens? 115

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:19:15-00:19:36 (22 sec)
I don't want to get ahead of where we are, M.J. And, I mean, I know that everybody is interested in the numbers and who they're going to be. We're working that through literally in real time with -- with both sides. So, I think it's better if I just don't speculate about what that pool is going to look like. 116

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:19:36-00:19:51 (15 sec)
Obviously, we are laser-focused on the American citizens that we know are being held hostage, and we want them out. All of them -- everybody should be out now. But here we are in a negotiation. And we're getting closer to the end, we believe, of that negotiation. So, again, I'm -- I'm going to be careful. 117

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:19:51-00:20:04 (12 sec)
For any of the potential American hostages, is there confidence that they are alive? I know that you've addressed the lack of proof-of-life videos and such in the past, but -- 118

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:20:04-00:20:06 (2 sec)
I would say we have no indication otherwise. 119

Question

Positive
00:20:06-00:20:21 (15 sec)
Thanks, John. There was media reports over the weekend that U.S. pressure had resulted in the Palestinian Authority taking down a tweet that accused the Israeli helicopters of most of the deaths at that music festival. Can you elaborate on that at all? 120

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:20:21-00:20:25 (4 sec)
No. I mean, I don't know. What would you want me to say to that? 121

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:20:25-00:20:33 (8 sec)
Well, I mean, can you confirm any -- can you give any information about, you know, what kind of communications there were between the U.S. and the Palestinian Authority about that messaging? 122

John Kirby

Leans Positive
00:20:33-00:20:46 (13 sec)
I'm not aware of any specific messaging between us and the P.A. on that. I mean, obviously, it's simply not true. There was Hamas paragliding into a music festival. I mean, there was no Israeli participation in that at all. 123

Question

Very Positive
00:20:46-00:21:00 (14 sec)
And then I just wonder if you can elaborate a bit on the President's remarks in the op-ed about a revitalized Palestinian Authority. Like, what would that look like? Is it new leadership? Is it a different structure? Like, could just talk about that a little more? 124

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:21:00-00:21:25 (25 sec)
It's -- you know, what it looks like is going to depend on the Palestinian people. But what he's referring to there is a Palestinian Authority that has the -- has the credibility, has the legitimacy, has the authority, has the support of all Palestinians so that they can effectively help with post-conflict governance, particularly in Gaza. But what it actually looks like is really and should be up to Palestinians. 125

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:21:25-00:21:27 (2 sec)
Go ahead. And a couple more in the back. 126

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:21:27-00:21:28 (1 sec)
Go ahead. Go ahead, sir. 127

Question

Unknown
00:21:28-00:21:29 (1 sec)
Hi. Me? 128

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:21:29-00:21:29 ( sec)
Yeah. 129

Question

Very Positive
00:21:29-00:21:32 (3 sec)
Okay. Hi, John. Thanks. And Happy Thanksgiving to you. 130

John Kirby

Unknown
00:21:32-00:21:33 (1 sec)
You too. 131

Question

Very Negative
00:21:33-00:21:53 (20 sec)
President Biden stood by calling President Xi a "dictator" at the APEC press conference. China's Foreign Ministry condemned this is as, quote, "extremely incorrect and irresponsible political manipulation." What is the administration's response or reaction to this? 132

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:21:53-00:22:09 (16 sec)
We came away from San Francisco with some concrete deliverables on fentanyl, on military-to-military communications, on getting our two teams together to start working on artificial intelligence, particularly in the national security realm. 133

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:22:09-00:22:33 (24 sec)
There was an awful lot of very good outcomes out of this meeting between President Biden and President Xi. And the President is looking forward -- we're looking forward to managing this relationship in a -- in a more responsible way and moving things forward, looking for ways where we can cooperate, but also not being afraid to confront where -- where we can't, including on the tensions in the South China Sea. 134

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:22:33-00:22:38 (6 sec)
So, the President and his whole national security team is focused forward now coming out of San Francisco. 135

Question

Unknown
00:22:38-00:22:40 (2 sec)
Still going to call him a "dictator" each time he sees him? 136

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:22:40-00:23:04 (24 sec)
The President -- the President made it very clear. He was asked a direct question; he gave a direct answer. He -- and he stands by that direct answer. That doesn't mean -- as true as that statement was, it doesn't mean that -- that there aren't still prospects here to find ways to cooperate and to compete with China in a more responsible way going forward. And that's where the President's head is. 137

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:23:04-00:23:09 (5 sec)
When these two leaders met, did they agree to meet again or speak again in the near term? 138

John Kirby

Somewhat Negative
00:23:09-00:23:14 (5 sec)
They agreed that they would -- they would meet again, but there was no date put on the calendar. 139

John Kirby

Neutral
00:23:14-00:23:29 (15 sec)
But what's really important now is that the military-to-military comms will begin to start and -- even down to the theater commander level and maybe even lower than that. So, that's a -- that's -- that's the immediate channels of communication that we're looking at getting back open. 140

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:23:29-00:23:29 (1 sec)
Steven, go ahead. 141

Question

Neutral
00:23:29-00:23:35 (5 sec)
Thank you, Karine. I've got a question about fentanyl, then a question about the Gaza conflict. 142

Question

Leans Negative
00:23:35-00:23:59 (24 sec)
On fentanyl, the Chinese President committed to reducing the export of fentanyl and fentanyl precursors. But under President Biden there have been 200,000 Americans who have stopped breathing and died as a result of these chemicals. As of earlier this year, we're still at record monthly numbers. If there is not a drop in American deaths, will President Biden hold the Chinese President personally responsible? 143

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:23:59-00:24:26 (28 sec)
It was really significant what President Xi was willing to commit to. To -- for the first time now in several years -- I mean, they were really going forward here and willing to take law enforcement action to shut down the export of these ingredients -- the precursor chemicals that the -- that the labs, largely in our own hemisphere, are creating to make fentanyl. It's a big step forward, and we're grateful for that. 144

John Kirby

Positive
00:24:26-00:24:39 (13 sec)
And we'll see how they are in execution. And I think we all need to understand that it may be some time before you see the practical results of this crackdown on the precursors. But we're grateful for that. 145

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:24:39-00:24:59 (20 sec)
But it's not -- you know, it's not just the precursals --precursor -- precursor chemicals. I'll try it again in English. The -- but it's the labs in our own hemisphere that are taking those chemicals, those ingredients, making fentanyl, and then -- and then moving it north up to our borders. And it's a serious problem. 146

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:24:59-00:25:08 (9 sec)
And, again, as the President said at the press conference: This agreement will save lives -- will save American lives. And President Xi said he was committed to helping with that. 147

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:25:08-00:25:26 (19 sec)
But before turning to the second question, just to follow up on that: The Chinese President is in charge of a single-party state. He's -- he said in the past that he'd crack down on fentanyl, and U.S. deaths hit an all-time record last year. I mean, is President Biden not going to consider him personally responsible if American deaths do not go down? 148

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:25:26-00:25:44 (18 sec)
He has said he was going to be personally responsible for stemming the flow of these chemicals out of China, and we're grateful for that. That's been -- that's going to take a little bit of time as he goes back to Beijing and puts those processes in place -- those law enforcement actions. We're grateful for that. 149

Question

Leans Positive
00:25:44-00:25:59 (15 sec)
Thank you. And the second question. Protesters here in D.C., in New York, across the country -- they've settled on a nickname for the President. They've been calling him "Genocide Joe." They wrote it on the gates. Do you have a response from the White House for that nickname that they've settled on? 150

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:25:59-00:26:05 (5 sec)
We're not worried about nicknames and bumper stickers. I mean, it -- it's First Amendment, free speech. 151

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:26:05-00:26:23 (18 sec)
The President is focused on -- as he wrote in his op-ed, on making sure that we can continue to support Israel as they fight a terrible terrorist group, Hamas, and as we all work together to get humanitarian assistance in and get people out, including hostages. 152

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:26:23-00:26:33 (10 sec)
I said this the other day: Again, people can say what they want on -- on the sidewalk and that -- and we respect that. That's what the First Amendment is about. 153

John Kirby

Positive
00:26:33-00:26:37 (5 sec)
But this word "genocide" is getting thrown around in a pretty inappropriate way by lots of different folks. 154

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:26:37-00:26:50 (12 sec)
What Hamas wants, make no mistake about it, is genocide. They want to wipe Israel off the map. They've said so publicly on more than one occasion -- in fact, just recently. 155

John Kirby

Neutral
00:26:50-00:27:04 (15 sec)
And they've said that they're not going to stop, what happened on the 7th of October is going to happen again and again and again. And what happened on the 7th of October? Murder. Slaughter of innocent people in their homes or at a music festival. That's genocidal intentions. 156

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:27:04-00:27:20 (15 sec)
Yes, there are too many civilian casualties in Gaza. Yes, the numbers are too high. Yes, fam- -- too many families are grieving. And yes, we continue to urge the Israelis to be as careful and cautious as possible. That's not going to stop, from the President right on down. 157

John Kirby

Unknown
00:27:20-00:27:27 (8 sec)
But Israel is not trying to wipe the Palestinian people off the map. Israel is not trying to wipe Gaza off the map. 158

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:27:27-00:27:36 (9 sec)
Israel is trying to defend itself against a genocidal terrorist threat. So, when we're going to start -- if we're going to start using that word, fine, let's use it appropriately. 159

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:27:36-00:27:38 (2 sec)
Okay, way in the back. Go ahead. 160

Question

Unknown
00:27:38-00:27:56 (17 sec)
I wanted to ask you about White House Advisor Amos Hochstein's visit to Israel. Can you give us a sense of what the goal of these talks are? And does his visit signal that the White House is concerned about military action -- Israeli military action in Lebanon? 161

Question

Unknown
00:27:56-00:27:57 (1 sec)
And then I have a follow-up. 162

John Kirby

Neutral
00:27:57-00:28:14 (17 sec)
Yeah. Amos is in Israel today to follow up on his last meeting to Lebanon, about a week or so ago, where he -- where he talked to Lebanese officials and to Israeli officials up in the north about -- about the risks of a second front -- a northern front. 163

John Kirby

Unknown
00:28:14-00:28:22 (8 sec)
And he's in Israel today sort of back briefing his conversations with the Israeli counterparts there in -- in Tel Aviv. 164

Question

Slightly Negative
00:28:22-00:28:28 (6 sec)
But in terms of a follow-up, is the White House concerned that Israel could be provoking Hezbollah? 165

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:28:28-00:28:47 (19 sec)
We don't want to see this war escalate. We don't want to see it widen. We certainly don't believe it's in anybody's interest -- certainly not the Israeli people's interest -- to have a second front there in the north. Though what Amos is doing, what our team is doing is everything we can to help prevent that scenario from happening. 166

Question

Somewhat Negative
00:28:47-00:28:54 (7 sec)
How fearful are you that -- that if this is something that is being provoked that it could draw the United States into it -- that is the goal of Israel right now? 167

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:28:54-00:29:25 (31 sec)
Well, again, we don't -- we don't want to see the conflict widen or escalate. That is why Amos is -- is having the conversations he's having. That's why Secretary Blinken has now had two extensive trips to the Middle East. And it's why the President has put forward additional force posture -- we were all talking about the carrier strike groups, but also air and missile defense, as well as fixed-wing aviation -- into the region so that we can send a strong signal to any actor -- nation-state or otherwise -- that if you're going to think about widening and deepening this conflict, don't do it. 168

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:29:25-00:29:27 (2 sec)
Go ahead, Kemi. 169

Question

Very Negative
00:29:27-00:29:39 (12 sec)
Yeah, thank you. South Africa just submitted they re- -- their referral to the ICC to investigate Prime Minister Netanyahu. Do you have any comments regarding that for war crime? 170

John Kirby

Unknown
00:29:39-00:29:49 (10 sec)
I'll tell you, I'm going to take that question. I have not seen that referral by South Africa. So, before I go talking out of school here for our U.N. ambassador, we'll take that question and we'll get back to you. 171

Question

Slightly Positive
00:29:49-00:30:05 (15 sec)
Okay. I ask a follow-up question. It's almost the first-year anniversary of the U.S.-Africa Leaders Summit. President Biden said he planned to travel to Africa within the year. Do you have any updates when the President will travel? 172

John Kirby

Unknown
00:30:05-00:30:05 (1 sec)
I do not. 173

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:30:05-00:30:06 (1 sec)
Thank you. 174

Question

Negative
00:30:06-00:30:11 (5 sec)
Is there an assessment of the U.S. on the level to which Hamas has been degraded over the last several weeks? 175

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:30:11-00:30:20 (9 sec)
We don't have an independent assessment that I'm aware of. That's a question better put to the Israeli Defense Forces. 176

Question

Unknown
00:30:20-00:30:27 (7 sec)
Is it something that you -- I know that you have a lot of communications with the Israelis inside of their operation. Is that part of what the -- 177

John Kirby

Unknown
00:30:27-00:30:28 (1 sec)
They -- they -- 178

Question

Very Negative
00:30:28-00:30:37 (9 sec)
-- communications are between the U- -- I mean, I'm trying to get a sense of sort of what the next steps are and how long a campaign this may need to be based on that level of -- of degradation. 179

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:30:37-00:30:42 (5 sec)
Those are all great questions for the Israeli Defense Forces. This is their operation. 180

John Kirby

Positive
00:30:42-00:30:51 (9 sec)
Now, yes, we're in touch with them daily. And they -- they provide us their perspectives. They provide us updates. 181

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:30:51-00:31:03 (12 sec)
I'm not going to, from this podium, characterize those conversations. I'm certainly not going to quantify the degree to which Hamas has been degraded. They are continuing to go after their leadership, particularly in the north of -- of Gaza. 182

John Kirby

Positive
00:31:03-00:31:05 (2 sec)
But really, that's a better question for them. 183

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:31:05-00:31:06 (2 sec)
We got to wrap this up. Go ahead, Aurelia. 184

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:31:06-00:31:12 (6 sec)
Thank you so much. Has the President called the president-elect of Argentina or does he plan to do so? 185

Question

Unknown
00:31:12-00:31:21 (9 sec)
And maybe a wider question: Does the administration think that this president-elect is the right man to reform the economy and the country? 186

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:31:21-00:31:32 (11 sec)
So, on your first question, I -- I don't have an update on the President's call sheet to talk about today. But obviously, I'm sure Karine and her team will keep you informed as -- as things progress. 187

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:31:32-00:31:42 (9 sec)
You -- I probably saw it -- there was a tweet by Jake Sullivan congratulating him on his win. We look forward to working with him, his admi- -- and his administration. 188

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:31:42-00:32:00 (18 sec)
Argentina is a terrific partner in the region. And -- and there's an awful lot of things we share in terms of values -- value of democracy, human rights, and -- and just -- just hemispheric security and economic concerns that we'll -- we'll look forward to working with him and his team on. 189

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:32:00-00:32:01 (1 sec)
Joey, last question. 190

Question

Very Positive
00:32:01-00:32:13 (12 sec)
Oh, yeah. Thanks. I -- I know you've been careful on what you can say regarding the hostage negotiations. But are you able to confirm that -- that we're talking -- that they're centered on women and children -- getting women and children specifically out? 191

John Kirby

Unknown
00:32:13-00:32:14 (1 sec)
I'd really rather not. 192

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:32:14-00:32:29 (15 sec)
But obviously, as I said in my opening statement, we -- we want to see -- specifically, especially, we want to see the children and women get released. Obviously, that's a high focus for everybody. And, of course, the Americans, too, because we know there's at least one American toddler in that pool. 193

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:32:29-00:32:39 (10 sec)
But I think the less said the better as we get into the -- you know, into the -- what we hope is the endgame here on negotiations. It's probably safer if I don't go into much -- 194

Question

Very Positive
00:32:39-00:32:39 (1 sec)
When you say hopeful -- 195

John Kirby

Unknown
00:32:39-00:32:40 (1 sec)
-- speculating. 196

Question

Unknown
00:32:40-00:32:45 (5 sec)
-- that it's the endgame, what are we -- you know, what kind of timeframe are you looking at? I mean -- 197

John Kirby

Unknown
00:32:45-00:32:46 (1 sec)
I couldn't tell you. 198

Question

Slightly Positive
00:32:46-00:32:46 ( sec)
Yeah. 199

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:32:46-00:32:57 (11 sec)
Just -- just that we're closer now than we've been before. That's a good thing. But, you know, we don't want to do or say anything publicly that's going to jeopardize what we hope will be a positive result. 200

Question

Positive
00:32:57-00:32:58 (1 sec)
Thanks. 201

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:32:58-00:32:58 ( sec)
Yeah. 202

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:32:58-00:32:58 ( sec)
You're too long -- 203

Question

Negative
00:32:58-00:33:00 (2 sec)
Regarding your injury -- 204

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:33:00-00:33:01 (1 sec)
-- on your foot there. 205

Question

Unknown
00:33:01-00:33:02 (1 sec)
-- is it a break -- a sprain or a break? 206

John Kirby

Unknown
00:33:02-00:33:03 (1 sec)
Both. 207

Question

Unknown
00:33:03-00:33:03 ( sec)
Aw. 208

Question

Unknown
00:33:03-00:33:04 (1 sec)
Oh, man. 209

Karine Jean-Pierre

Neutral
00:33:04-00:33:06 (2 sec)
I didn't want to keep them too long on his feet. 210

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:33:06-00:33:10 (3 sec)
Thank you so much, Admiral. Appreciate that. I know it's not comfortable. 211

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:33:10-00:33:11 (1 sec)
Will, go ahead. 212

Question

Negative
00:33:11-00:33:21 (10 sec)
Okay, I got a couple of things. Changing gears, will there be an order to lower flags to half-staff to mark Mrs. Carter's par- -- passing? And is the President planning on attending her funeral? 213

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:33:21-00:33:34 (13 sec)
So, let me just say at the top -- I know you heard from the President and the First Lady yesterday on the passing of the former First Lady. I just want to say, certainly, that their thoughts are with President Carter and the entire Carter family. 214

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:33:34-00:34:00 (26 sec)
As the President said yesterday, Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter have been dear, longtime friends. And Rosalynn Carter was an extraordinary, extraordinary First Lady. She was a champion for equal rights and opportunities for women and girls; an advocate for mental health and wellness for every person; and a supporter of the often unseen, uncompensated caregivers of our children, age -- aging loved ones, and people with disabilities. 215

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Positive
00:34:00-00:34:10 (10 sec)
The President and the First Lady are thinking of her and -- and of -- of him and keeping the Carter family in their prayers today, as well. 216

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:34:10-00:34:29 (20 sec)
As it relates to any potential travel, the President and the First Lady plan to pay respects to the former First Lady. I don't have anything to share at this time on details or anything to confirm just yet. But certainly, as we have information or more details to share, we certainly will share that with all of you. 217

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:34:29-00:34:49 (20 sec)
And as it relates to the lowered to half-staff -- the flag be- -- the flag being lowered to half-staff, yes, we will certainly do that. And we certainly will follow -- and we'll do that in accordance to -- with protocols and details of -- of when and how long that will happen. We certainly will share that at an appropriate time. 218

Question

Very Positive
00:34:49-00:35:01 (12 sec)
I have one more -- another topic. How is the President planning to mark his birthday? I ask because he mentioned it during the turkey pardoning. It looks like he's got some family here. Are they going to have, like, a party or a dinner? 219

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:35:01-00:35:22 (22 sec)
So, he's going -- he's going to do what they normally do, how they celebrate the President's birth- -- birthday. There's a trandition -- a tradition, pardon me, which they're going to keep to the -- to that tradition, which is they'll be able to celebrate the President's birthday as a family together in Nantucket later this week and certainly will do that with coconut cake, which is something that they traditionally do. 220

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:35:22-00:35:24 (2 sec)
Go ahead. 221

Question

Very Positive
00:35:24-00:35:40 (16 sec)
Last year, we all remember the messy travel -- holiday travel season. I know the administration has taken steps to try to improve compensation for travelers who face delays and some other steps to hold airlines accountable. How confident is the White House that Americans won't face those same kind of issues this travel season? 222

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive