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Interview: Joe Biden Participates in a CNN Town Hall in Milwaukee - February 16, 2021

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Anderson Cooper

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And welcome. We are live in the Pabst Theater in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. This is a CNN Presidential Town Hall, the first with President Joe Biden. I'm Anderson Cooper. President Biden is just four weeks into his presidency and facing multiple crises. Nearly 500,000 of our fellow citizens, Americans who have died from COVID-19, millions out of work right now and a nation dangerously divided. 1

Anderson Cooper

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Tonight, we're going to be answering questions from the American people. The president will be answering questions from the American people on his first official trip since taking office. Some of the questioners here voted for him, some did not. The president and I will not be wearing masks on this stage. 2

Anderson Cooper

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He of course, has been vaccinated. Over the past several weeks, I have repeatedly tested negative for coronavirus as recently as yesterday and this morning as well. We will however, be keeping our distance from one another. And the audience is very limited, socially-distanced and all wearing masks when they are seated. 3

Anderson Cooper

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With that, I want to welcome the 46th President of the United States, President Joe Biden. [Applause] JOE 4

Joe Biden

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Hey, Anderson. 5

Anderson Cooper

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How are you, sir? 6

Joe Biden

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Good to see you. Hey, folks, how are you? [Applause] 7

Joe Biden

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Good to be back, man. 8

Anderson Cooper

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Yeah, it's nice to see you, sir. 9

Joe Biden

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And you know you enjoyed being home with the baby more, I don't want to hear that -- 10

Anderson Cooper

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[Laughs] I do, yes. [Laughter] 11

Anderson Cooper

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He's nine and a half months, so I'm very happy. 12

Joe Biden

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[Laughs] I get it, no, no, everybody knows that I like kids better than people. 13

Anderson Cooper

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I saw a picture of you with your grandson recently. 14

Joe Biden

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That's right. 15

Anderson Cooper

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Yeah. 16

Joe Biden

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That's right. 17

Anderson Cooper

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So we've got a lot of questions in the audience. We have about 50 or so people here. They're all socially-distanced. We have some folks who voted for you, some folks who did not. And we're going to get in as many questions in as possible. Before we get to that I just want to start with a couple of just big- picture questions about the pandemic and where we are right now. 18

Joe Biden

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Sure. 19

Anderson Cooper

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New cases of COVID-19, hospitalizations have fallen by half in the last month, so have new cases, that's the good news. There's this potential threat, potential surge from the variants coming down the pike potentially. When is every American who wants it going to be able to get a vaccine? 20

Joe Biden

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By the end of July this year. We have, we came into office, there was only 50 million doses that were available. We have now, by the end of July we'll have over 600 million doses, enough to vaccinate every single American. 21

Anderson Cooper

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When you say -- [Applause] 22

Anderson Cooper

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When you say by the end of July, do you mean that they will be available or that people will have been able to actually get them? Because Dr. Fauci -- 23

Joe Biden

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They will be available. 24

Anderson Cooper

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They'll be available. 25

Joe Biden

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Be available. 26

Anderson Cooper

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OK. 27

Joe Biden

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Here, look. What we did, we got into office and found out the supply, there was no backlog, I mean there was nothing in the refrigerator figuratively and literally speaking. And there are 10 million doses a day that were available. We've upped that in the first three weeks that we're in office to significantly more than that. 28

Joe Biden

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We've moved out, went to the Pfizer and Moderna and said, can you produce more vaccine and more rapidly? They not only agreed to go from 200 to 400, then they agreed to go to 600 million doses. And we got them to move up the time because we used the National Defense Act to be able to help the manufacturing piece of it to get more equipment and so on. 29

Anderson Cooper

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So if at the end of April, excuse me, end of July they're available to actually get them in the arms of people who want them, that will take what, a couple more months? 30

Joe Biden

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Well, no, a lot will be vaccinated in the meantime. 31

Anderson Cooper

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OK. 32

Joe Biden

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In other words, not just all of a sudden 600 million doses are going to appear. And what's going to happen is it's going to continue to increase as we move along. And we'll have -- we'll have reached 400 million by the end of May and 600 million by the middle of -- by the end of July. And the biggest thing, though, as you remember when you and I, I shouldn't say it that way, as remember, but when you and I talked last, we talked about it's one thing to have the vaccine, which we didn't have when we came into office, but a vaccinator. 33

Joe Biden

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How do you get the vaccine into someone's arm? So you need the paraphernalia. You need the needle. You need the mechanisms to be able to get it in. You have to have people who can inject it in people's arms. 34

Anderson Cooper

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That's been one of the problems is just getting enough people. 35

Joe Biden

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Yes, now we have made significant strides increasing the number of vaccinators. I issued an Executive Order allowing former retired docs and nurses to do it. We have over a thousand military personnel. The CDC has, I mean, excuse me, we have gotten the National Guard engaged. So we have significant number of vaccinators, people who will actually be there. 36

Joe Biden

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Plus we've opened up a considerable number of locations where you can get the vaccination. 37

Anderson Cooper

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I want to introduce you to Kevin Michael. He's an Independent from Wauwatosa. He's a mechanical engineer for a vehicle company. Kevin, welcome. What's your question? 38

Question

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Hi, welcome to Milwaukee. 39

Joe Biden

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How you doing? 40

Question

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Good. My question is regarding education -- 41

Joe Biden

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Yes. 42

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-- and considering the hybrid and virtual school instruction have been in place for nearly a year now, what is the plan and recommendation to get students back into the brick-and-mortar buildings? As a parent of four children, I find it imperative that we get back to school as safely as possible. 43

Joe Biden

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My mother would say, "God bless you, son, no purgatory for you," four kids home, I really mean it. And by the way, the loss of being able to be in school is having significant impact on the children and parents as well. And what we found out is there are certain things that make it rational and easy to go back to the brick- and-mortar building. 44

Joe Biden

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One, first of all, making sure everybody is wearing protective gear. It's available to students as well as to teachers, the janitors, the people who work in the cafeteria, the bus drivers. Secondly, organizing in smaller pods, which means that's why we need more teachers. Instead of a classroom of 30 kids in it, you have three classes in that same of 10 kids each in those, I'm making the number up, less, doesn't have to be literally 10. In addition to that, we also have indicated that it is much better, it's much easier to send kids K through eight back because they are less likely to communicate the disease to somebody else. 45

Joe Biden

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But because kids and sophomores, juniors and seniors in high school, they socialize a lot more and they're older and they transmit more than young kids do, it's harder to get those schools open without having everything from the ventilation systems and having, for example, school bus drivers, you know. We've got to make sure that you don't have 60 kids or however many, it would depend on the size of the school bus, sitting two abreast in every single seat. 46

Joe Biden

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And so there's a lot of things we can do short of and I think that we should be vaccinating teachers. We should move them up in the hierarchy as well. [Applause] 47

Anderson Cooper

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Well, let me ask you, your administration had set a goal to open the majority of schools in your first 100 days. You're now saying that means those schools may only be open for at least one day a week -- 48

Joe Biden

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No, that's not true. That's what was reported. 49

Anderson Cooper

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Uh-huh. 50

Joe Biden

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That's not true. That was a mistake in the communication. But what I'm talking about is I said opening the majority of schools in K through eighth grade, because they're the easiest to open, the most needed to be open in terms of the impact on children and families having to stay at home -- 51

Anderson Cooper

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So when do you think that would be K through eight -- [Crosstalk] 52

Anderson Cooper

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-- at least five days a week if possible? 53

Joe Biden

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I think we'll be close to that at the end of the first 100 days. We've had a significant percentage of them being able to be opened. My guess is they're going to probably be pushing to open all summer, to continue like it's a different semester and try to catch up. [Crosstalk] 54

Anderson Cooper

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Do you think that would be five days a week or just a couple? 55

Joe Biden

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I think many of them five days a week. The goal will be five days a week. Now it's going to be harder to open up the high schools for the reasons I have said. And just like you notice the contagion factor in colleges is much higher than it is in high schools or grade schools. 56

Anderson Cooper

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I want you to meet, this is Justin Belot. He's a high school teacher from Milwaukee. He's a Democrat. Justin, thanks for being with us. What's your question? 57

Joe Biden

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What do you teach? 58

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I teach English, high school English. 59

Joe Biden

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My wife teaches, God love you. 60

Question

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Wonderful. Thank you, Mr. President. So along the same lines as schools, so it's a great debate on when to transition into in- person learning. While there are numerous warnings not to be in large groups or to have dinner parties or small parties, why is it OK to put students and teachers in close proximity to each other for an entire day, day after day? 61

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With large class sizes and outdated ventilation systems, how and when do you propose this to occur? And finally, do you believe all staff should be vaccinated before doing so? 62

Joe Biden

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Number one, nobody is suggesting, including the CDC in its recent report, that you have large classes, congested classes. It's smaller classes, more ventilation, making sure that everybody has a mask and is socially-distanced, meaning you have less, fewer students in one room. Making sure that everyone from the sanitation workers who work in the lavatories, in the bathrooms and to do all the maintenance, that they are in fact able to be protected as well. 63

Joe Biden

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Making sure you are in a situation where you don't have the congregation of a lot of people, as I said, including the school bus, including getting on a school bus. So it's about needing to be able to socially distance, smaller classes, more protection. And I think that teachers and the folks who work in the school, the cafeteria worker and other should be on the list of preferred to get a vaccination. 64

Anderson Cooper

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I want to introduce you to Kerri Engenbrecht, an Independent from Oak Creek. Kerri, welcome, go ahead. 65

Question

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Thank you. 66

Joe Biden

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Kerri, how are you? 67

Question

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Very good, thank you. Our 19-year-old son was diagnosed with Pediatric COPD at the age of 14. We're told he has the lungs of a 60-year-old. He does all he can to protect himself. Last month, he even removed himself from the campus of UW Madison, as he feels it's safer and he has less exposure here at home. 68

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We've tried all we can to get him a vaccine. I hear of others who are less vulnerable getting it based on far less. Do you have a plan to vaccinate those who are most vulnerable sooner, to give them a priority? 69

Joe Biden

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Well, the answer is yes, there are. But here is how it works. The states make the decisions on who is in what order. I can make recommendations and for federal programs, I can do that as President of the United States. But I can't tell the state, you must move such- and-such, a group of people up. But here is what I'd like to do. 70

Joe Biden

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If you're willing, I'll stay around after this is over and maybe we can talk a few minutes and see if I can get you some help. [Applause] 71

Anderson Cooper

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Let me just ask you, though, Johnson & Johnson could be authorized, a new vaccine from them could be authorized in a couple of weeks. That would be a big deal -- 72

Joe Biden

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Yes, it would. 73

Anderson Cooper

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-- bringing a lot more vaccines on, millions of more doses to the supply. Once that happens, given the urgency of these variants and the potential threat from them, should states stop giving priority to certain groups and just open vaccine access for everyone? 74

Joe Biden

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Well, it depends on how much they have available. I think there still should be priority groups in case there are not enough for everyone, available to everybody. And look, we don't know for certain, let me tell you what my national COVID team has said, that the variants, by variants you mean the Brazilian strain, the South African strain, the British strain -- [Crosstalk] 75

Anderson Cooper

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London. 76

Joe Biden

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-- London, et cetera. Thus far, thus far, there is no evidence that the existing vaccinations available from Moderna and Pfizer do not either make sure that they apply, they work as well against the strain in the United States. And there is no evidence that they're not helpful. So if you can get a vaccination, get it whenever you can get it, regardless of the other strains that are out there. 77

Joe Biden

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There are studies going on to determine it's not only more communicable, but are there vaccines -- do the vaccines not provide helpful protection by getting the vaccine? There are some speculation -- I've got to be very careful here because millions of people are watching this, it may be that a certain vaccination for a certain strain may reduce from 95 percent to a lower percentage of certainty that it will keep you from getting -- 78

Anderson Cooper

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It may not be as effective as -- 79

Joe Biden

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-- it may not be as effective. 80

Anderson Cooper

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-- against a variant, but it still would be effective. 81

Joe Biden

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Still be effective. So the clear notion is if you're eligible, if it's available, get the vaccine. Get the vaccine. 82

Anderson Cooper

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I want you to meet, this is Dessie Levy, she's a Democrat from Milwaukee. She's a registered nurse, former academic dean. She's also currently a director of a faith-based nonprofit. Dessie, welcome. 83

Joe Biden

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By the way, you've heard me say this before, Becky, if there's any angels in heaven, they're all nurses, male and female. Doctors let you live, nurses make you want to live. I can tell you as a consumer of health care, my family, you're wonderful. Thank you for what you do. 84

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God bless you. Mr. President, hello. My name is Dr. Dessie Levy. And my question to you is considering COVID 19 and its significant impact on black Americans, especially here in Milwaukee and thus, the exacerbation of our racial disparities in health care, we have seen less than three percent of blacks and less than five percent of Hispanics given the total number of vaccines that have been administered to this point. 85

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Is this a priority for the Biden administration? And how will the disparities be addressed? And that's both locally and nationally. 86

Joe Biden

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Well, first of all, it is a priority, number one. Number two, there's two reasons for it being the way it is. Number one, there is some history of blacks being used as guinea pigs in other experiments as I need not tell you, Doctor, over the last 50 to 75 to 100 years in America. So there is a concern about getting the vaccine whether it's available or not. 87

Joe Biden

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But the biggest part of this is access -- 88

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Mm-hmm. 89

Joe Biden

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-- physical access. That's why last week I opened up, I met with the Black Caucus in the United States Congress and agreed that I would -- all of the -- all of community health centers now, which take care of the toughest of the toughest neighborhoods in terms of illness, they are going to get a million doses, you know, a week, and how we're going to move forward because they're in the neighborhood. 90

Joe Biden

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Secondly, we have opened up -- and I'm making sure that there's doses of vaccine for over 6,700 pharmacies because almost everyone lives within -- not always walking distance, but within the distance of being able to go to the pharmacy like when you got your flu shot. That is also now being opened. Thirdly, I also am providing for mobile -- mobile vans, mobile units to go into neighborhoods that are hard to get to because people are -- for example, even though everyone is within, you know, basically five miles of a Walgreen's, let's say, the fact is if you're 70 years old, you don't have a vehicle and you live in a tough neighborhood, meaning, you're -- it's a high concentration of COVID, you're not likely to be able to walk five miles to go get a vaccine. 91

Joe Biden

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The other thing we found is -- I'm sorry to go on, but this is really important to me -- the other part -- portion is a lot of people don't know how to register. Not everybody in the community, in the Hispanic and the African-American community, particularly in rural areas that are distant and/or inner city districts know how to use -- know how to get online to determine how to get in line for that COVID vaccination at the Walgreen's or at the particular store. 92

Joe Biden

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So, we're also -- I've committed to spend a billion dollars on public education to help people figure out how they can get in there. That's -- we're also trying to set up mass vaccination centers like places in stadiums and the like. 93

Anderson Cooper

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Are you concerned about the rollout of this online? Because it has been incredibly confusing for a lot of people, not just -- 94

Joe Biden

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Sure. 95

Anderson Cooper

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-- you know, older people. It's younger people just trying to find a place to get a vaccine. 96

Joe Biden

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Yes. And I have because look at what we inherited. We inherited a circumstance here where, now for the first -- we did a lot in the first two weeks, a circumstance where, number one, there weren't many vaccinators. You didn't know where you could go get a vaccine administered to you because there was no one to put it in your arm, number one. 97

Joe Biden

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Number two, there was very little federal guidance as of what to look for, how to find out where, in fact, you could go. You can go online and every single state now has a slightly different mechanism by which they say who's qualified, where you can get the vaccines and so on. So it's all about trying to more rationalize in detail so ordinary people like me can understand, I mean that sincerely. 98

Joe Biden

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I mean, my grandchildren can use that online, you know, make me look like I'm, you know, the seventh century, but all kidding aside. This is a process. And it's going to take time. It took us -- think of what we didn't do, and you and I talked about this during the campaign, we didn't do from the time it hit -- it hit the United States. 99

Joe Biden

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You're going to inject something in your arm. It's going to go away. You're going to be -- it'll all be done by Easter. We wasted so much time, so much time. 100

Anderson Cooper

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Another question about vaccines. This is Jessica Salas. She's an independent from Milwaukee, a graphic designer. Jessica, welcome. 101

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Thank you. As we've been talking about the coronavirus is very real and very scary. And it's especially scary for children who may or may not understand. My children Leyla, 8, here, and my son Mateo, 7, at home often ask if they will catch COVID. And if they do, will they die? They are watching as others get the vaccine. 102

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And they would like to know when will kids be able to get the vaccine. 103

Anderson Cooper

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Well, first of all, honey, what is your first name? 104

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Leyla. 105

Anderson Cooper

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Leyla, beautiful name. First of all, kids don't get the vaccine -- get COVID very often. It's unusual for that to happen. They don't -- the evidence so far is children aren't the people most likely to get COVID, number one. Number two, we haven't even done tests yet on children as to whether or not the certain vaccines would work or not work or what is needed. 106

Anderson Cooper

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So that's -- so you're the safest group of people in the whole world, number one. Number two, you're not likely to be able to be exposed to something and spread it to mommy or daddy. And it's not likely mommy and daddy are able to spread it to you either. So I wouldn't worry about it, baby. I promise you. 107

Anderson Cooper

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But I know it's kind of worrisome. Wait, are you in first grade? Second grade? 108

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Second. 109

Joe Biden

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Oh, you're getting old. Second grade. Well, has your school -- have you been in school, honey? 110

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No. 111

Joe Biden

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No? See, that's -- that's kind of a scary thing, too. You don't get to go to school. You don't get to see your friends. And so what a lot of kids and, I mean, and big people, too, older people, they just -- their whole lives have sort of changed like when it used to be. It used to be you just go outside and play with your friends and get in the school bus and go to school, and everything was normal. 112

Joe Biden

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And now, when things change, people get really worried and scared. But don't be scared, honey. Don't be scared. You're going to be fine. And we're going to make sure mommy is fine, too. 113

Anderson Cooper

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You know, let me ask you -- [Applause] 114

Anderson Cooper

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-- let me ask you, just for folks who are watching out there, there are a lot of people who are scared. And there's a lot of people who are hurting. 115

Joe Biden

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Sure. 116

Anderson Cooper

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When do you think this pandemic is -- I mean, when are we -- when's it going to be done? When are we going to get back to normal? 117

Joe Biden

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Well, you know, all the experts, all the committee that I put together of the leading researchers in the world in the United States are on this committee of mine, headed by Dr. Fauci and others, they tell me, be careful not to predict things that you don't know for certain what's going to happen because then you'll be held accountable. 118

Joe Biden

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I get that. But let me tell you what I think based on all that I've learned and all that I've studied and all that I think that I know. It's fairly -- it's a high probability that the vaccinations that are available today and the new one, Johnson & Johnson, God-willing, will prove to be useful, that with those vaccinations, the ability to continue to spread the disease is going to diminish considerably because of -- they call herd immunity. 119

Joe Biden

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And now they're saying, somewhere around 70 percent of the people have to constitute, some people said 50, 60, but a significant number have to be in a position where they are -- they have been vaccinated and/or they've been through it or -- 120

Anderson Cooper

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Have antibodies. 121

Joe Biden

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-- and have antibodies. So if that works that way, as my mother would say with the grace of God and the goodwill of the neighbors, that by next Christmas, I think we'll be in a very different circumstance, God-willing, than we are today. I think a year from now, when it's 22 below zero here -- no, a year from now, I think that there will be significantly fewer people having to be socially distanced, have to wear a mask, instead of -- but we don't know. 122

Joe Biden

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So I don't want to overpromise anything here. I told you when I ran and when I got elected, I will always level with you. To use Franklin Roosevelt's example, I will shoot you, give it straight from the shoulder, straight from the shoulder what I know and what I don't know. We don't know for certain. But it is highly unlikely that by the beginning of next year, school -- traditional school year in September, we are not significantly better off than we are today. 123

Joe Biden

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But it matters. It matters whether you continue to wear that mask. It matters whether you continue to socially distance. It matters whether you wash your hands with hot water. Those things matter. They matter. And that can save a lot of lives while we're getting to this point, we get to herd immunity. 124

Anderson Cooper

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You've made -- [Applause] 125

Anderson Cooper

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You've made passing COVID relief bill the focus of your first 100 days. Those on the right say the proposal is too big. Some on the left say it's not big enough. Are you committed to passing $1.9 trillion bill or is that final number still up for negotiation? 126

Joe Biden

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I'm committed to pass -- look, here's -- some of you are probably economists or college professors or you're teachers in school. This is the first time in my career -- and as you can tell, I'm over 30 -- the first time in my career that there is a consensus among economists left, right, and center that is over -- and including the IMF and in Europe, that overwhelming consensus is, in order to grow the economy a year, two, three, and four down the line, we can't spend too much. 127

Joe Biden

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Now is the time we should be spending. Now is the time to go big. You may recall I managed the last experiment we had with stimulus, and it was 800 -- [Applause] 128

Joe Biden

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No, I don't mean it that way, but it was $800 billion. We thought we needed more than that, and we think we did. We got -- it ended up working, but it slowed things up by about -- and depending who you talk to, between six months and a year and a half. We can come back, we can come roaring back. It's estimated that if we -- by most economists, including Wall Street firms, as well as, you know, think tanks, political think tanks, left, right, and center, it is estimated that if we pass this bill alone, we'll create seven million jobs this year -- seven million jobs this year. 129

Joe Biden

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And so -- [Applause] 130

Joe Biden

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-- the thing we haven't talked about, I'm not going to go on because I want to hear your question, I apologize -- we haven't talked about -- I remember you and I talking during the campaign, and you had the former guy saying that, well, you know, we're just going to open things up, and that's all we need to do. 131

Joe Biden

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We said, no, you've got to deal with the disease before you deal with getting the economy going. Well, the fact is that the economy now has to be dealt with, and what is -- look at all the people. You have over 10 million people unemployed. We need unemployment insurance. We need to make sure that, you know, you have 40 percent of the children in America -- talk about food shortage, 60 percent of -- did you ever think you'd see a day in Milwaukee, you'd see in the last six months people lining up in their automobiles for an hour or for as far as you could see to get a bag of food? 132

Joe Biden

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What -- I mean, this is the United States of America for God's sake. We can't deal with that? We promise -- look at all the people who are on the verge of being kicked out of their apartments because they cannot afford -- they cannot afford the rent. What happens when that happens? Everything -- look at all the mom and pop landlords that are in real trouble if we don't subsidize this in the meantime. 133

Joe Biden

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Look at all the people who are on the verge of missing and how many people have missed their last two mortgage payments and are able to be foreclosed on. That's why I took executive action to say they cannot be foreclosed on in the meantime, because -- look at what the impact on the economy would be. You think it's bad now, let all that happen. 134

Joe Biden

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Look at all the people who have lost their insurance. How many -- I'm not asking for a show of hands -- how many have had jobs with corporations or companies that provided health care, the COBRA health care? Well, guess what? The company goes under, and guess what? You lose your health insurance. Well, we should be making sure you're able to pay for that, so that we keep people moving. 135

Joe Biden

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So there's a lot -- so I think bigger and the vast majority of the serious people say bigger is better now, not spending less. 136

Anderson Cooper

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This is -- this is Randy Lange, an independent who supported Donald Trump in 2020. Randy is the co-owner of a woodworking company here in Milwaukee. Randy, welcome. 137

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Good evening. 138

Joe Biden

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Randy. 139

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You're proposing a $15 minimum wage. Given the lower cost of living, specifically in the Midwest, many business owners are concerned that this will put them out of business, forcing them to downsize or cut benefits. How can you instill confidence in small businesses that this will benefit the Midwest business growth? 140

Joe Biden

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Well, first of all, the South is not much different than the Midwest in that regard as well. But here is the thing. If you look back over the last 40 years as minimum wage has increased, people haven't -- the end -- the end result of net employment hasn't changed. The vast majority of the economists and there are studies that show that by increasing the minimum wage to $15 an hour, it could have an impact on a number of businesses but it would be de minimis, et cetera. 141

Joe Biden

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Here is the deal. It's about doing it gradually. We're at $7.25 an hour. No one should work 40 hours a week and live in poverty. No one should work 40 hours a week and live in poverty. [Applause] 142

Joe Biden

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But it's totally legitimate for small business owners to be concerned about how that changes. For example, if it went -- if we gradually increased it -- when we indexed it at $7.20, if we kept it indexed by -- to inflation, people would be making 20 bucks an hour right now. That's what it would be. 143

Anderson Cooper

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The Congressional Budget Office says that a $15 minimum wage would lift 900,000 people out of poverty, but would also cost 1.4 million people their jobs. Is that -- 144

Joe Biden

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Yes, but there's also -- if you read that whole thing about Pinocchios and all the rest, there are also equal number of studies say that's not -- that it wouldn't have that effect, and particularly, as you do it in terms of how gradually you do it. So let's say -- you said you're going to increase the minimum wage from $7.25 an hour between now and the year 2025 to $12 an hour, to $13 an hour. 145

Joe Biden

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You double someone's pay, and the impact on business would be absolutely diminished, and it would grow the GDP, and it would grow -- and it would generate economic growth. But it's not illegitimate as a small-business person to worry about whether or not increasing it at one fell swoop would have that impact. 146

Joe Biden

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I do support a $15 minimum wage. I think there is equally as much if not more evidence to dictate that it would grow the economy and long- run and medium-run benefit small businesses as well as large businesses, and it would not have such a dilatory effect. But that's a debatable issue. 147

Anderson Cooper

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I want you to meet another small-business owner. This is Tim Eichinger, a Democrat from Milwaukee, co-owner of Black Husky Brewing. Tim, welcome. 148

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Thank you. My partner and I own a small brewery in the Riverwest neighborhood of Milwaukee, and we have nine amazing employees. We rely primarily on selling our beer out of our taproom, and with the pandemic, our business has gone down about 50 percent. Now, we've relied primarily on loans, grants, as well as our own reserves, to survive. 149

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However, the new assistance has been too slow, and recently it's gotten more restrictive on how we can apply it. What will you do so that small mom-and-pop businesses like ours will survive over large corporate entities? 150

Joe Biden

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Change it drastically -- first of all, by making sure we have inspectors general. You may remember, when the first bill passed, you may remember there was a guy running saying what's going to happen is the banks aren't going to lend you the money. They're going to ask you a question, "Do you have your credit with us? 151

Joe Biden

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How many loans do you have with us? What is your -- what credit cards do you have with us? How" -- because, even though they were being underwritten, and we bailed their rear ends out last time out, they weren't -- it was too much trouble to lend to you. What -- what did the president do? And I don't want to pick on the -- I shouldn't -- I'm tired of talking about Donald Trump, don't want to talk about him anymore, but in -- the last administration spent time, a lot of time, talking about how there was no need for inspector generals. 152

Joe Biden

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We find out that 40 percent of the money, the PPE loans to go to -- PPP loans to got to small businesses -- went to -- went to corporations that were multi-million dollar corporations. You're going to see an investigation showing that a lot of this was fraudulent, where it went. So what I'm doing is I provide $60 billion for you to be able to make capital investments in order to be able to open safely and make sure you're in a position that you can do the things that are recommended. 153

Joe Biden

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You've noticed there's been very little federal direction for you all as to how to safely open your businesses. Yet you know, if you're able to test your employees; if you're able to be in a situation, if you serve people, you have plexiglass dividers, if you -- there's a whole range -- if you're able to have everybody with -- with masks and the like, you can do so much to safely open. 154

Joe Biden

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But you don't get that direction. So the money, I guarantee you, is going to go to small businesses with people -- and I'm shooting -- and by the way, the original definition of a small business is 500 or fewer employees. Well, that's not what I mean by small businesses. What we meant by small businesses, the mom-and-pop businesses that hold communities together and keep people together, and particularly in neighborhoods where, if you don't have a beauty shop, a barbershop, a hardware store, a grocery store, et cetera, the center of the community begins to disintegrate some. 155

Joe Biden

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So what I'd like to do is, if you are willing to give me an address, lay out for you precisely, without taking more time -- I'm going to get in trouble; I was supposed to only talk two minutes in an answer -- is to let you know exactly how that $60 billion and part of the recovery package will go to small businesses. [Applause] 156

Anderson Cooper

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All right. We're going to take a quick break. When we get back, we'll have more questions for the president of the United States, Joe Biden. We'll be right back. [Commercial Break] 157

Anderson Cooper

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00:34:34-00:34:56 (23 sec)
And welcome back. We're live at a CNN Town Hall event at the Pabst Theater in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, with President Joe Biden. We are back. Thanks so much for -- for being here. We -- before we get back into the audience, I want to ask just a question about what we just witnessed. Before the Senate voted to acquit the former president in the impeachment trial, you said you were anxious to see if Republican senators would stand up. 158

Anderson Cooper

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Only seven did. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called the rest cowards. Do you agree with her? 159

Joe Biden

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I'm not going to call names out. I -- look, I -- for four years, all that's been in the news is Trump. The next four years, I want to make sure all the news is the American people. I'm tired of talking about Trump. [Applause] 160

Anderson Cooper

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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said that the former president is, quote, "still liable for everything he did while he was in office." If your Department of Justice wanted to investigate him, would you allow them to proceed? 161

Joe Biden

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I made it clear that one of the things about -- that one of the most serious pieces of damage done by the last administration was the -- the politicizing of the Justice Department. Any of you who are lawyers know, whether you're a Democrat, Republican, conservative or liberal, it has been more politicized than any Justice Department in American history. 162

Joe Biden

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I made a commitment, I will not ever tell my Justice Department -- and it's not mine; it's the people's Justice Department -- who they should and should not prosecute. Their prosecutorial decisions will be left to the Justice Department, not me. [Applause] 163

Anderson Cooper

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I'd want you to meet Joel Berkowitz from Shorewood. He's a Democrat, a professor of foreign languages and literature at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Joel, thanks for being here. 164

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Thank you, Anderson. Good evening, Mr. President. 165

Joe Biden

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I'm not bad at the literature part, but after five years of French, I still can't speak a word, so I apologize. [Laughter] 166

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I'll teach you some Yiddish some time. How's that? 167

Joe Biden

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I -- by the way, I understand a little bit of Yiddish. 168

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I'm sure you do. 169

Anderson Cooper

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It would be a shanda if he didn't, but -- [Laughter] 170

Question

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More seriously, Mr. President, like millions of my fellow citizens, I was shaken by the attack on the Capitol on January 6th and on our democracy more broadly by your predecessor and his followers. While I appreciate efforts being made to bring them to justice, I worry about ongoing threats to our country from Americans who embrace white supremacy and conspiracies that align with it. 171

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What can your administration do to address this complex and wide ranging problem? 172

Joe Biden

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It is complex and it's wide ranging, and it's real. You may -- I got involved in politics to begin with because of civil rights and opposition to white supremacists, the Ku Klux Klan, and the most dangerous people in America continue to exist. That is the greatest threat to terror in America, domestic terror. 173

Joe Biden

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And so I would make sure that my Justice Department and the civil rights division is focused heavily on those very folks, and I would make sure that we, in fact, focus on how to deal with the rise of white supremacy. And you see what's happening, the studies that are beginning to be done, maybe at your university as well, about the impact of former military, former police officers, on -- on the growth of white supremacy in some of these groups. 174

Joe Biden

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You may remember, in one of my debates with the former president, I asked him to condemn the Proud Boys and he wouldn't do it. He said "Stand by," stand ready, or whatever the phrase exactly was. It is a bane on our existence. It has always been. As Lincoln said, we have to appeal to our better angels, and these guys are not -- and women -- are, in fact, demented. 175

Joe Biden

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They are dangerous people. 176

Anderson Cooper

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I want you to meet James Lewis, an independent from Milwaukee. He's a labor attorney. James, welcome. 177

Joe Biden

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James, if I say anything you don't like, let me know right away, will you? 178

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I -- you're all right. Thank you. 179

Joe Biden

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You're about as big as a mountain. 180

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Good evening, President Biden. I was a public defender in Kenosha County when the police shot Jacob Blake. I witnessed the city I worked in -- and recently, District Attorney Michael Graveley denied to prosecute the police officers responsible. So my question to you is, what will your administration do to correct these wrongs that we witnessed not just in Kenosha but across this country? 181

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And what will we do to bridge the gap between communities and their police? 182

Joe Biden

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Three things. First of all, I was a public defender as well. And I think it's high time that we had public defenders being paid the same as prosecutors. My son, by the way, was a great prosecutor. He was the attorney general of the State of Delaware, and he was a federal prosecutor before that. And so I'm not condemning all prosecutors. 183

Joe Biden

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But I am saying that it matters that you have adequate defense and you are able to attract people who in fact can live on being able to be that public defender, number one. Number two, we are pushing very hard -- and I think we'll get it done -- is the legislation relating to what is appropriate police behavior and studying police behavior and coming down with recommendations that are consistent with the legislation that was put in place as a consequence of all the world seeing one man shoved up against a curb and murdered after eight minutes and 46 seconds. 184

Joe Biden

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And so there's a number of things relating to everything from no-knock warrants and -- and a whole range of things you know. There's legislation that's being introduced separately. I hope it will pass. But, thirdly, I think we have to deal with systemic racism that exists throughout society. And one of the things I'm going to recommend there is that we look at an entire panoply of things that affect whether or not people of color, primarily, are -- are treated differently. 185

Joe Biden

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And that goes for everything from prosecutorial discretion. You know as a public defender -- and by that I mean what happens is -- it will take too long to go through the whole explanation, but let me do it -- try to do it quickly. What happens now is, if you in fact are going to -- you arrest someone because they had -- and you want to charge them, you can charge them with robbery or armed robbery. 186

Joe Biden

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You charge them with armed robbery, you get a lot more time than if you don't charge with robbery. But if you want to make sure that someone who doesn't know much about their representation is able to -- you engage in prosecutorial misconduct by offering them to plead to essentially -- it's not the same -- burglary, which gets them two years and probation, and so you don't even get a trial. 187

Joe Biden

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You plead, because you don't have adequate representation. You feel like everything's against you, and you're in trouble. When I did the sentencing act, that was designed to keep -- make sure we had the same time for the same crime. As chairman of the Judiciary Committee, I had looked at all 10 federal districts, and we took six months to do it, and found out, if you were black, if you were a first-time offense of being accused of burglary, and maybe you committed it, and you were white and you did the same exact crime, in all 10 districts throughout the United States of America, the person -- and don't hold me to the exact numbers, but the percentages are right. 188

Joe Biden

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If you're a first-time white guy, you would get two years. You would get seven years if you're black. So, in order to make sure that you could not send people to jail for the same crime, I came up with this -- this sentencing commission, which said that everybody who commits the crime has to receive between, instead of 0 to 20 years, you drastically cut down the number of years you could go to jail, but say you have to -- if it's a one -- first-time offense, you have to get sentenced between 1.5 and three years, OK? 189

Joe Biden

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Well, what happens is, prosecutors used that as a mechanism to send people to jail. It makes it look like they're -- we're dealing with mandatory sentencing, which it wasn't designed to do at all. It was designed to make sure that people were treated fairly. 190

Anderson Cooper

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Yes. 191

Joe Biden

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There's much more. I'm sorry to go on. There's much more to talk about, but -- 192

Anderson Cooper

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Yes, we actually have a related question over here. This is Dannie Evans, a pastor in Janesville who works as a supervisor for the juvenile justice diversion program in Rock County. He's an independent, voted for Donald Trump in 2020. He's also a member of the state's 32-member Racial Disparity Task Force created in the wake of the Jacob Blake shooting last summer. 193

Anderson Cooper

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Dannie, welcome. 194

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Good afternoon, Mr. President. Defund the police is discussed as an option for reforming policing. However, there are communities where people live in fear not of the police, but in fear of the violent gangs who commit crimes in those neighborhoods. 195

Joe Biden

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Exactly. 196

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How can we be sure that we don't overlegislate police officers, so that they can do their job to protect the law-abiding citizens who live in these high-crime neighborhoods, and yet train officers to police with compassion? 197

Joe Biden

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By, number one, not defunding the police. We have to put more money in police work, so we have legitimate community policing, and we're in a situation where we change the legislation. No one should go to jail for a drug offense. No one should go to jail for the use of a drug. They should go to drug rehabilitation, drug rehabilitation, number one. [Applause] 198

Joe Biden

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We should be in a position where we change the system of -- sentencing system to one that relates to a notion of -- I'm basically telling you to -- is related to making sure that what you do is, you focus on making sure that there's rehabilitation. The idea that we don't have people in prison systems learning how to be spending the money, learning how to be mechanics, learning how to be cooks, learning how to have a profession when you get out, the idea that we deny someone who served their time access to Pell Grants, access to housing, access to -- right now, as you well know, most places, you get out of prison, you get 25 bucks and a bus ticket. 199

Joe Biden

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You end up back under the bridge, exactly where you were before. And the fact is that the concern in many minority communities is black-on-black, Hispanic-on-Hispanic, not just -- but here's the deal. There has to be much more serious -- how can I say it? Much more serious determination as to what the background and the attitudes of the recruit is, where -- what their views are. 200

Joe Biden

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There should be much more psychological testing, like you would if you're going into the intelligence community. What is it? What are the things that make you respond the way you do? Because there is, there is inherent prejudice built into the system as well. And we also need to provide for -- and it's happening -- more African-American and more Hispanic police officers. 201

Joe Biden

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Now, by the way, they don't get it all right either by a long shot. But every cop, when they get up in the morning and put on that shield, has a right to expect to be able to go home to their family that night. Conversely, every kid walking across the street wearing a hoodie is not a member of a gang and is about to knock somebody off. [Applause] 202

Joe Biden

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So, it's about education. I would love to talk to you more about it, because it is the answer, in my view, that and education, actually access to education. And one of the things that I talk a lot about -- and I'm sorry to go on about this, but it's important -- I don't think we can look at opportunity in the African -- let's stick with the African-American community for a minute -- in terms of the criminal justice system. 203

Joe Biden

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That is only one small piece of why people are the way they are. You realize -- I don't know what home you live in, but if you go ahead and you want to get insurance, and you're in a black neighborhood, you're going to pay more for the same insurance I'm going to pay for the exact same home. Your car, you have never had an accident in your car. 204

Joe Biden

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You live in a black neighborhood, you're going to pay a higher premium on your car. You're going to -- so, there are so many things that are built in institutionally that disadvantage African-Americans and Latinos, that, in fact, I think -- and one of the great advantages -- I'm sorry to go on. But one of the great advantages, as bad as things are -- I keep reading from presidential historians how I have inherited the worst situation since Lincoln, worse than Roosevelt, because -- economic crisis, political crisis, racial crisis, et cetera. 205

Joe Biden

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But the fact is that everyone's gotten a close-up look now and seen what's happened. That kid, that kid holding that camera for eight minutes and 46 seconds awakened the whole world. When I met with his little daughter after he was dead, she said: "My daddy's changed the world." Guess what? Not only here in the United States, around the world, people said, whoa, I didn't know that happened. 206

Joe Biden

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Dr. King, when my generation, when I got involved in the civil rights movement as a high school student in the early '60s, and you had Bull Connor and his dogs in the late '50s, siccing it on those ladies going to -- in their black dresses going to church and little kids, and fire hoses ripping their skin off. 207

Joe Biden

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He said, what happened there was, it was a second emancipation, because people in places where there weren't black communities said: That really happens? I didn't believe it. They saw it happen. And so it generated the Voting Rights Act. It generated the Civil Rights Act. And he called it the second emancipation. 208

Joe Biden

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We have a chance now, a chance now, to make significant change in racial disparities. And I'm going to say something that's going to get me in trouble, which I couldn't go through a whole show without doing that. And that is that, think about it. If you want to know where the American public is, look at the money being spent in advertising. 209

Joe Biden

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Did you ever five years ago think every second or third ad out of five or six you would turn on would be biracial couples? [Applause] 210

Joe Biden

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No, I'm not -- I'm not being facetious. The reason I'm so hopeful is, this new generation, they're not like us. They're thinking differently. They're more open. And we have got to take advantage of it. [Applause] 211

Anderson Cooper

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I want you to -- 212

Joe Biden

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I'm sorry. 213

Anderson Cooper

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I want you to meet LuVerda Martin, a Democrat from Mequon -- or Mequon. 214

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Mequon. 215

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Mequon. Sorry. LuVerda is a certified nurse midwife. Welcome. 216

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