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Press Conference: Karine Jean-Pierre Holds a Press Briefing at The White House - November 2, 2023

  • John Kirby
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  • Karine Jean-Pierre
    Person
  • Question
    Person
  • Aide
    Person
Somewhat Negative

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:00:00-00:00:03 (3 sec)
Good afternoon, everyone. 1

Question

Positive
00:00:03-00:00:03 (1 sec)
Good afternoon. 2

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:00:03-00:00:11 (8 sec)
Tomorrow, the President and the First Lady will travel to Lewiston, Maine. 3

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:00:11-00:00:22 (11 sec)
While there, they will pay respects to the victims of the horrific shooting attack last week and grieve with the families and community members who have been affected by this senseless act of violence. 4

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:00:22-00:00:31 (8 sec)
The President will also meet with the brave first responders, dedicated nurses, and others on the frontlines of the response. 5

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:00:31-00:00:40 (10 sec)
Unfortunately -- unfortunately, this type of trip by the President has become too -- too familiar -- far too familiar. 6

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:00:40-00:00:49 (9 sec)
Too many times, the President and the First Lady have travelled to communities completely torn apart by gun violence. 7

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Negative
00:00:49-00:00:57 (8 sec)
As the President said last week, this is not normal, and we can't accept it as normal. 8

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:00:57-00:01:08 (12 sec)
So, while Friday will be a solemn day and a time for the President to be with Americans who are in mourning, he will also continue to demand that Congress act. 9

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Negative
00:01:08-00:01:21 (12 sec)
They must pass an assault weapons [DEL: banned :DEL] [ban]. They must enact universal background checks. They must help states across the country adopt and strengthen red flag laws. 10

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Negative
00:01:21-00:01:45 (25 sec)
In the meantime, this President will continue to do everything in its power -- his power to end this gun violence epidemic. And I would note that Greg Jackson, the Deputy Director of the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention, has been on the ground in Maine all of this week helping to marshal a whole-of-government response to support -- to support the people of Maine. 11

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:01:45-00:02:08 (23 sec)
Today, as I have been talking about almost every day in -- in the briefing room, as part of our "10 Days of 10 Drugs" series, we're hili- -- we're highlighting Farxiga, a drug used to treat diabetes, heart failure, and chronic kidney disease that was selected for Medicare price negotiation as part of President Biden's Inflation Reduction Act. 12

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:02:08-00:02:27 (19 sec)
Last year, hundreds of thousands of Medicare beneficiaries spent an average of up to 448 bucks out of -- out of pocket for this lifesaving drug, while Big Pharma made record profits and spent nearly $400 million on lobbying to keep prices high for American families. 13

Karine Jean-Pierre

Slightly Negative
00:02:27-00:02:37 (10 sec)
For years, politician talked about -- they talked about taking on Big Pharma and allowing Medicare to negotiate f- -- lower drug prices for seniors. 14

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:02:37-00:02:47 (10 sec)
President Biden and, of course, congressional Democrats finally got that done by passing the Inflation Reduction Act without a single Republican vote. 15

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Positive
00:02:47-00:03:05 (18 sec)
As a result, insulin is now capped at 35 bucks a month for seniors. And for the first time ever, instead of drug companies charging Americans whatever they want for lifesaving drugs, Medicare will be able to negotiate lower prices for drugs like Farxiga. 16

Karine Jean-Pierre

Negative
00:03:05-00:03:30 (25 sec)
And finally -- finally, before I turn it over, over the past few months, you have heard scores of current and former national security officials, veterans, and hundreds of military spouses and families sound the alarm on Senator Tommy Tuberville's dangerous blockade on many -- on many -- and nearly 380 military appointments. 17

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:03:30-00:03:38 (7 sec)
Yesterday, Republican senators joined that call. And I will lay -- lay out a few quotes from some of them. 18

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:03:38-00:03:43 (5 sec)
Senator, Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said those holds are a "bad idea." 19

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Negative
00:03:43-00:03:52 (9 sec)
Republican Senator Joni Ernst said that Tuberville was using nominees as "political pawns," and "I do not respect men who do not honor their word." 20

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:03:52-00:04:05 (13 sec)
Republican Senator Dan Sullivan said that Tuberville's blockade is "100 percent wrong," will be remembered as a "national security suicide mission" and a "downgrade of [our] readiness." 21

Karine Jean-Pierre

Leans Negative
00:04:05-00:04:20 (15 sec)
Republican Senator Lindsay Graham said, "Sen- -- Senator Tuberville, this -- this doing great damage -- is doing great damage to our military." Let me say that again: Senator Tuberville is "doing great damage to our military." 22

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:04:20-00:04:28 (7 sec)
Republican Senator Todd Young said Tuberville's holds "just doesn't make sense to me." 23

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:04:28-00:04:40 (12 sec)
And Republican Senator Mitt Romney said, "We recognize that there is [a] personal suffering as we- -- as well as issues of military readiness, so we need to act." "We need to act." 24

Karine Jean-Pierre

Negative
00:04:40-00:04:49 (9 sec)
Nearly all of them warned of the risk we face of servicemembers leaving military service if its blockade continues. 25

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Positive
00:04:49-00:04:53 (4 sec)
So, we agree. We have been very clear about this for the past several months. 26

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:04:53-00:05:10 (17 sec)
These -- these vacancies are causing serious damage to our military readiness and our national security. And they are causing stress and disruption to our military families across the chain of command and for military spouses and also their families. 27

Karine Jean-Pierre

Very Negative
00:05:10-00:05:16 (7 sec)
The world is too dangerous -- it is too dangerous to play political games with our military. 28

Karine Jean-Pierre

Positive
00:05:16-00:05:28 (11 sec)
So, we are pleased to see that the Senate is taking action. Senator Tuberville needs to end -- to end this damaging hold on all of our military nominees as soon as possible. 29

Karine Jean-Pierre

Somewhat Positive
00:05:28-00:05:37 (9 sec)
Now, with that, I will turn it over to Admiral John Kirby from NSC, who knows this very, very personally -- understands this well. 30

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:05:37-00:05:45 (9 sec)
Thank you, Karine. Appreciate that. Thank you. 31

John Kirby

Unknown
00:05:45-00:05:49 (4 sec)
Good afternoon, everybody. Let me get my cheaters out here. 32

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:05:49-00:06:01 (12 sec)
I think you all heard the President address this earlier today, but thanks to his leadership and the intensive diplomacy that we've been involved in, more Americans have been able to get out of Gaza today. 33

John Kirby

Unknown
00:06:01-00:06:13 (12 sec)
As the President said, so far, 74 U.S. citizens and family members arrived on the Egyptian side. That's in addition to the five Americans who departed Gaza yesterday. 34

John Kirby

Somewhat Negative
00:06:13-00:06:17 (4 sec)
And I want to stress that these numbers are changing in real time. 35

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:06:17-00:06:28 (10 sec)
Embassy Cairo has deployed a consular team to the Rafah Crossing to support all these folks, make sure they get back to the embassy, and then we work with them on onward movement as appropriate. 36

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:06:28-00:06:45 (18 sec)
We obviously continue to be focused on getting as many Americans out as quickly as possible. And we still fully expect that more Americans will be able to depart -- hopefully more today, but certainly we're looking for them to depart at a similar pace, if not -- if not better than what -- what we've seen. 37

John Kirby

Somewhat Negative
00:06:45-00:06:48 (3 sec)
But again, I -- I want to stress again, it's a fluid situation. 38

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:06:48-00:06:56 (8 sec)
Obviously, intensive diplomacy has been underway to open up the Gaza side of the border for foreign nationals and for some wounded Palestinians as well. 39

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:06:56-00:07:15 (19 sec)
In times of crisis, of course, like this, we rely on our friends. And today's positive news would not have been possible without the assistance of Qatar or, frankly, the leadership of President Sisi of Egypt, who, of course, I think you know President Biden spoke to last Sunday. And we're grateful for his leadership and his efforts. 40

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:07:15-00:07:32 (17 sec)
On the humanitarian side, yesterday an additional 55 trucks with lifesaving humanitarian assistance -- including food, water, and medicine -- were able to make their way into Gaza via the Rafah Crossing. We're hoping that the number of trucks crossing into Gaza will continue to increase as well. 41

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:07:32-00:07:46 (14 sec)
We know that 55 more trucks -- which brings us to more than 220 total since the 21st -- is not enough, and we're going to continue to work to get more in there. Increasing that aid has been a top priority of the President and a -- and a keen focus on his diplomacy. 42

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:07:46-00:08:06 (20 sec)
Speaking of diplomacy, today, the President is going to participate in two bilateral meetings -- actually, I think he's already done the one, met with President Luis Abinader of the Dominican Republic to discuss a host of shared priorities, including deepening bilateral economic ties, advancing our democratic principles and labor rights, as well as addressing the security situation in Haiti. 43

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:08:06-00:08:18 (12 sec)
And then later today, he's going to meet with President Gabriel Boric of Chile to discuss issues of shared concern, including promoting further economic cooperation, combating climate change, and addressing irregular migration. 44

John Kirby

Positive
00:08:18-00:08:38 (20 sec)
And, of course, all of those discussions -- those two bilateral meetings -- come just ahead of the inaugural Americas Partnership for Economic Prosperity Leaders' Summit that's here at the White House. And we're glad to have the participation of all members of the partnership here for this summit. A majority of them will be at the leader level. 45

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:08:38-00:08:45 (8 sec)
This leaders' summit advances President Biden's commitment to strong regional partnership in the Western Hemisphere, as he announced during last year's Summit of the Americas. 46

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:08:45-00:09:04 (19 sec)
Taken as a whole, this two-day summit represents a strong demonstration of the United States' commitment to work with our partners to take advantage of this once-in-a-generation opportunity to recenter critical global supply chains in the Americas, continue to address our shared migration challenge, and build meaningful economic opportunity across the hemisphere. 47

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:09:04-00:09:05 (1 sec)
Okay. 48

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:09:05-00:09:06 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Colleen. 49

Question

Very Positive
00:09:06-00:09:17 (11 sec)
Thanks, John. Can you tell us a little bit more about the humanitarian pause -- what that would look like, what it -- what it means, how long it would be, how it would work? 50

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:09:17-00:09:38 (21 sec)
Sure. I think we've talked about this before, Colleen. I mean, the -- we're really not just talking about, like, one pause. What we're trying to do is explore the idea of as many pauses that might be necessary to continue to get aid out and to continue to work to get people out safely, including hostages. 51

John Kirby

Unknown
00:09:38-00:09:45 (6 sec)
The President already worked on one such pause when we were able to get those two Americans out. And that's go- -- that's what we're kind of looking at. 52

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:09:45-00:10:01 (17 sec)
And just to remind: When we're talking about a humanitarian pause, what we're talking about are temporary, localized pauses in the fighting to meet a certain goal or goals -- as I said, get aid in, get people out. 53

Question

Unknown
00:10:01-00:10:12 (10 sec)
And is that something that can happen immediately? I mean, how -- where is the Israeli Prime Minister on this? Is he willing to continue to do this, especially if it's more than one pause? 54

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:10:12-00:10:18 (6 sec)
Well, we were -- we were able to work with him to help get Americans out before, so we're certainly hoping that that kind of cooperation will continue. 55

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:10:18-00:10:33 (15 sec)
But each -- each instance of it, each effort to get a pause is going to be unique in its own way, and it's going to require negotiation and diplomacy. And the President, you heard him talk about this yesterday, is 100 percent committed to -- to doing what it takes to -- to pursue that kind of diplomacy. 56

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:10:33-00:10:34 (1 sec)
Go ahead. 57

Question

Very Negative
00:10:34-00:10:48 (14 sec)
The U.N. Human Rights Office is raising some serious concerns about the -- the Israeli airstrike at the refugee camp, saying they "have serious concerns that these are disproportionate attacks that could amount to war crimes." Does the administration share the U.N.'s concerns? 58

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:10:48-00:11:09 (21 sec)
We certainly don't want to see a single civilian hurt or killed in this conflict, and there's been too many deaths as it is. Each one is tragic in its own right, as I've said, Mary, and -- and we're doing everything we can to work with our Israeli counterparts to try to minimize the risk of -- of civilian deaths and collateral damage. 59

Question

Unknown
00:11:09-00:11:14 (5 sec)
But do you believe that this refugee camp was a legitimate target? 60

John Kirby

Unknown
00:11:14-00:11:18 (3 sec)
I'm not in a position to say it is or it isn't. 61

John Kirby

Leans Positive
00:11:18-00:11:28 (10 sec)
As I said, these are questions for the Israeli Defense Forces. These are their operations. And they and only they can speak to their targeting decisions and the way they're conducting the operations. 62

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:11:28-00:11:47 (19 sec)
What we are going to do is make sure that they've got the tools and capabilities -- including our perspectives and lessons that we've learned in this kind of warfare -- as they venture into these operational decisions, because they have a legitimate threat -- a legitimate threat by Hamas, an organization that wants to wipe them off the map. 63

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:11:47-00:11:57 (10 sec)
At the same time, because you can do both, we're going to make sure that we're doing everything that we can to help them minimize civilian casualties and get humanitarian assistance in. 64

Question

Very Positive
00:11:57-00:12:09 (12 sec)
And one quickly on Tuberville. He's made pretty clear this morning, again, that he is not going to be changing his position. Would the President support changing the Senate rules to get around Tuberville's blockade? 65

John Kirby

Unknown
00:12:09-00:12:11 (2 sec)
That's for the Senate to decide. 66

John Kirby

Unknown
00:12:11-00:12:27 (16 sec)
The President wants -- as Karine said, wants the hold lifted. I mean, it -- you're talking about 375 officers at this point, 379 positions -- because some of them are dual-hat nominations. That's a whole lot of senior leadership that can't move right now. 67

John Kirby

Unknown
00:12:27-00:12:34 (8 sec)
And let me just give you an example here, now that you made me think of it. Let's just take a look at the Central Command region of the world. 68

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:12:34-00:13:11 (37 sec)
And I won't go through all of it, but here's some of the -- here's some of the positions that are being affected by Mr. Tuberville: the Fifth Fleet commander -- that's the fleet that's in the -- in the Gulf Region; the deputy Fifth Fleet commander; the deputy Central Command commander; the defense attaché to Israel; the commander of the 380th Air Expeditionary Wing; the chief of staff at U.S. Central Command; oh, and here's a good one, the deputy director of Strategy, Plans, and Policy for U.S. Central Command -- the person that actually helps write our operational plans and executes policy decisions at that level. 69

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:13:11-00:13:20 (9 sec)
And there's more than that. I mean, it's beyond ridiculous that this one senator is having this kind of an impact on our operational readiness. 70

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:13:20-00:13:38 (18 sec)
And if you don't think it isn't, I would urge him or anybody else who doubts this: Go on down to Tampa, Florida, and talk to the folks in Central Command about the priorities and what they're trying to do on behalf of the -- our administration's policy in the Middle East, especially right now with everything going on. It's having an impact. 71

John Kirby

Unknown
00:13:38-00:13:50 (12 sec)
And as Karine rightly said, it's also having a deleterious impact on family members and folks who can't get schools for their kids; can't buy or rent houses; you know, don't know where they're going to be living next. 72

John Kirby

Negative
00:13:50-00:13:51 (1 sec)
It's absolutely ridiculous. 73

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:13:51-00:13:52 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Justin. 74

Question

Positive
00:13:52-00:14:09 (16 sec)
Thanks, Kirby. The Vice President was over in London and said that if Israel and Ukraine aid were bifurcated that the President would veto it. We -- you know, you, over the last couple of days, have explained that you would veto something with offsets, especially involving the IRS. 75

Question

Very Positive
00:14:09-00:14:19 (10 sec)
But I wanted to be clear: If the President was -- was presented with a clean Israel funding bill without Ukraine, he would veto that as well? 76

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:14:19-00:14:39 (20 sec)
The President believes that the supplemental requests that we submitted contains four really critical national security urgent needs: Israel; Ukraine; our Indo-Pacific resourcing, particularly when it comes to manufacturing of submarines; and, of course, border security. All four are important. 77

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:14:39-00:14:48 (9 sec)
And the whole idea of an urgent supplemental is, you're submitting what you think are urgent requests, and the President wants to see all of them honored, all of them acted on by Congress -- all of them together. 78

John Kirby

Neutral
00:14:48-00:14:53 (5 sec)
We wouldn't have submitted it that way if we didn't believe that they all weren't important and should be acted on together. 79

Question

Neutral
00:14:53-00:15:01 (8 sec)
Obviously, you guys want to see them all four together, but lawmakers are trying to figure out right now how to, kind of, negotiate through this. 80

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:15:01-00:15:01 ( sec)
Yeah. 81

Question

Very Negative
00:15:01-00:15:04 (3 sec)
And it seems to be -- it's, sort of, an unclear signal from the administration. 82

Question

Unknown
00:15:04-00:15:11 (7 sec)
So, was the Vice President correct? He would veto an Israel-only bill if it didn't have other issues that you were concerned about? 83

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:15:11-00:15:16 (6 sec)
The President would veto an only-Israel bill. We -- I think that we've made that clear. 84

Question

Slightly Positive
00:15:16-00:15:17 (1 sec)
Okay. 85

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:15:17-00:15:19 (2 sec)
Go ahead, Nancy. 86

Question

Very Positive
00:15:19-00:15:30 (11 sec)
Thanks. Admiral, the President keeps saying Israel needs to follow international law. Israel needs to follow international law. That suggests that he thinks that Israel isn't following international law, doesn't it? 87

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:15:30-00:15:30 ( sec)
No. 88

Question

Neutral
00:15:30-00:15:37 (7 sec)
Why would he be saying that if he felt that Israel was doing everything it needs to do to prevent civilian casualties? 89

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:15:37-00:15:52 (15 sec)
We've been saying it since the very beginning, Nancy, that -- that we want to see our good friend and partner abide by our shared commitments to the respect for civilian life and the respect for -- for the law of war. We've been saying that since -- since dang near the beginning of it. 90

Question

Unknown
00:15:52-00:16:01 (8 sec)
I've never heard him say that Ukraine needs to follow international law, so he seems to be making a point of this particularly when it comes to Israel. Does that signify that he has any concerns -- 91

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:16:01-00:16:03 (2 sec)
Well, there's -- these are different conflicts. 92

Question

Unknown
00:16:03-00:16:04 (1 sec)
Right. 93

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:16:04-00:16:18 (15 sec)
And Ukraine was the victim of a massive invasion by a neighboring nation. And -- and their military operations have been -- with the exception of the counteroffensive, where they're going after Russian positions -- have been largely defe- -- defensive in nature. 94

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:16:18-00:16:28 (10 sec)
It's a different situation than what the Israeli Defense Forces are doing inside Gaza, going after Hamas terrorists in a fairly aggressive way. 95

Question

Neutral
00:16:28-00:16:41 (14 sec)
Question about the evacuees. The President said 70-something dual citizens were able to make it out today. How many days do you anticipate it will take to get all of the Americans who want to leave out of Gaza? 96

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:16:41-00:16:49 (8 sec)
We don't know. I mean, as I said in my opening statement, we hope that that number can increase over coming days and -- and we can get them all out very, very soon. 97

John Kirby

Positive
00:16:49-00:16:56 (6 sec)
Today is progress. I mean, yesterday, it was five. Today, so far, as you and I are speaking, it's 74. 98

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:16:56-00:17:09 (13 sec)
We're -- we're hoping that that number could increase throughout the day. Hoping. So, that's a good sign that the trajectory is going in the right direction. We want to get them all out as soon as possible, but I couldn't put you -- couldn't put a date on a calendar and tell you that's it. 99

Question

Neutral
00:17:09-00:17:15 (6 sec)
And just very quickly, is part of the deal that none of them will stay in Egypt -- that they will all leave and go elsewhere? 100

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:17:15-00:17:22 (7 sec)
That's going to be up to them. I mean, they're -- they're free citizens. You know, they're American citizens, and they've got families to look after. 101

John Kirby

Neutral
00:17:22-00:17:44 (22 sec)
And that's why we're getting them all collected toward -- at the Embassy in Cairo and our consular staff, who collected them, verified all their identities, you know, got them on buses. And -- and now we're going to be working on whatever forward, onward movement they might want. Some may not want that, but we'll -- we'll work that out individually with each family. 102

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:17:44-00:17:45 (1 sec)
Michael. 103

Question

Very Positive
00:17:45-00:17:55 (11 sec)
Thank you, Karine. John, the Israelis are saying that referring to Jabalia as a "refugee camp" is a -- is a misnomer. Is that the position of the administration as well? 104

John Kirby

Neutral
00:17:55-00:17:59 (3 sec)
I'll leave the Israeli Defense Forces to speak to their operations. 105

Question

Negative
00:17:59-00:18:09 (10 sec)
And then on the bilateral with the -- with Abinader, did the Dominican-Haitian border dispute come up? And what is the U.S. position on that? 106

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:18:09-00:18:26 (16 sec)
The discussion around Haiti was largely over the security situation in Haiti and our continued efforts to want to work with the international community to do what we can to hold those accountable who are causing that insecurity and the violence but -- but also to work -- work on ways, throughout the region, to -- to provide relief to the Haitian people. 107

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:18:26-00:18:26 (1 sec)
Go ahead, Peter. 108

Question

Very Positive
00:18:26-00:18:42 (16 sec)
Thanks. John, so, talking about getting Americans out of Gaza, President Biden said, "I want to thank our partners in the region and particularly Qatar." The leader of Hamas lives in Qatar, so why is President Biden thanking them for anything? 109

John Kirby

Unknown
00:18:42-00:18:46 (5 sec)
Oh, geez, Peter. Let's take a step back here and look at this. Qatar was -- 110

Question

Unknown
00:18:46-00:18:47 ( sec)
"Geez, Peter"? They -- 111

John Kirby

Unknown
00:18:47-00:18:47 ( sec)
Peter -- 112

Question

Very Negative
00:18:47-00:18:52 (5 sec)
They are a terrorist group that killed Americans and kidnapped Americans within the last month. 113

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:18:52-00:19:05 (13 sec)
Peter, Qatar has been helpful in getting those Americans out. I'm sure you would agree with me and everybody at your network would agree that getting American hostages out is a good thing. And Qatar was a key player in that regard. 114

John Kirby

Unknown
00:19:05-00:19:10 (5 sec)
Qatar has lines of communication with Hamas that almost nobody else has. 115

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:19:10-00:19:22 (12 sec)
Now, I'm not saying that we support Hamas. Of course we don't. They're a terrorist organization. And Israel has an absolute right to go after them. But Qatar has lines of communication that not everybody else has. 116

John Kirby

Negative
00:19:22-00:19:42 (20 sec)
And it would be irresponsible -- in fact, I would expect that you and everybody else in here would be -- would be going after me if we weren't doing everything we could and having every possible conversation we can have to get Americans that are held hostage back home with their families. If we weren't doing that, it would be diplomatic malpractice. 117

John Kirby

Unknown
00:19:42-00:19:45 (3 sec)
Let me read something to you, if you don't mind, just to -- 118

Question

Slightly Positive
00:19:45-00:19:46 ( sec)
Okay. 119

John Kirby

Neutral
00:19:46-00:19:50 (5 sec)
Just -- I think I -- I want to put this into some context here. Let me tell you what we're dealing with with Hamas. 120

John Kirby

Unknown
00:19:50-00:19:54 (4 sec)
Oh, geez, this is your notebook, Karine. [Laughter] 121

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:19:54-00:19:56 (2 sec)
The letters are [inaudible]. 122

John Kirby

Neutral
00:19:56-00:19:57 (1 sec)
Sorry. 123

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:19:57-00:20:21 (25 sec)
This -- this fella in Hamas -- a guy named Ghazi Hamad. He did an interview a couple of days ago. He said, "Israel is a country that has no place on our land. We must remove it, because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation and must be finished. We are not ashamed to say this with full force. We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do this again and again." 124

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:20:21-00:20:29 (8 sec)
That's what the Israeli people are up against. And that's the group that are holding innocent Americans, as well as 200 Isra- -- 125

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:20:29-00:20:31 (2 sec)
And you're going to say, "Well, then why are you talking to him?" 126

Question

Unknown
00:20:31-00:20:32 (1 sec)
You're making my point here. 127

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:20:32-00:20:33 (1 sec)
No, I'm not. 128

Question

Unknown
00:20:33-00:20:34 (1 sec)
If Qatar is so helpful -- 129

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:20:34-00:20:35 (1 sec)
No, I'm not. 130

Question

Positive
00:20:35-00:20:39 (4 sec)
-- why aren't we asking them to hand over the leader of this terrorist group? 131

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:20:39-00:20:48 (9 sec)
We are working with Qatar to get our people out and to help get aid in. That's a priority right now. And obviously, we're also helping Israel go after Hamas. 132

Question

Very Negative
00:20:48-00:21:01 (13 sec)
And -- and as you push the Israelis for humanitarian pauses, are they just supposed to sit back and let Hamas attack them and attack them and attack them and not fight back? 133

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:21:01-00:21:07 (6 sec)
We have been crystal clear that Israel has the right to defend themselves. I mean, my goodness -- 134

Question

Somewhat Negative
00:21:07-00:21:09 (2 sec)
So, a pause means they can still shoot back? 135

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:21:09-00:21:24 (14 sec)
My goodness, Peter. We're giving them security assistance almost every day. But do we advocate pauses by both sides here -- temporary, localized -- to be able to get Americans out, to be able to get aid in? You betcha we do. 136

John Kirby

Unknown
00:21:24-00:21:30 (7 sec)
That doesn't mean that we're calling for a general ceasefire. There's a -- hang -- hang on a second. There's a difference. There's a big difference here. 137

John Kirby

Unknown
00:21:30-00:21:40 (10 sec)
And we understand that, as I said earlier, humanitarian pauses have to be negotiated and you have to have a credible basis for doing it, in a temporary localized way. 138

John Kirby

Negative
00:21:40-00:21:53 (13 sec)
I would also expect that we would get a lot of criticism from you and -- and from your network and others if we just eschewed the whole idea of some kind of temporary pause so that people couldn't get out. 139

John Kirby

Unknown
00:21:53-00:21:57 (4 sec)
I mean, we're doing exactly what you should be doing to try to look after these folks. 140

Question

Leans Negative
00:21:57-00:21:59 (2 sec)
So, a pause does not help Hamas? 141

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:21:59-00:22:19 (20 sec)
A temporary pause that's localized, that would allow us to get aid in and to get our people out, is a good thing for the people of Gaza. It's a good thing for the Americans that are being held hostage. And it's not going to stop Israel from defending itself, because the security assistance we're providing continues to flow. 142

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:22:19-00:22:26 (7 sec)
And a temporary pause doesn't mean a general ceasefire or the war is over. It means pause, only temporary, for a specific purpose. 143

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:22:26-00:22:27 (1 sec)
M.J. 144

Question

Very Positive
00:22:27-00:22:41 (14 sec)
The temporary ceasefire that the President said he had convinced Prime Minister Netanyahu to put in place to get the Raanans out -- can you tell us more about that? Was it localized? Was it for a short period of time? Just anything about the parameters of that. 145

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:22:41-00:22:50 (9 sec)
No, I won't go into the details of that since we're going to be trying to see what we can do to get additional temporary pauses -- humanitarian pauses in place. 146

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:22:50-00:23:00 (10 sec)
But in order to move hostages from where they were being held to safety, it does require a -- a short pause in the fighting so that you can do it safely. 147

John Kirby

Negative
00:23:00-00:23:12 (12 sec)
I mean, why wouldn't you? I mean, it -- it would be -- it would be completely unsafe and irresponsible if you weren't trying to find some safe passage for hostages you got released while there's a -- an area of combat going on. 148

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:23:12-00:23:13 (1 sec)
Andrew. 149

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:23:13-00:23:32 (19 sec)
Admiral, earlier this week, you had said, after the first airstrike in Jabalia, that it's obvious to us that Israel is "trying to minimize" civilian casualties. Now that you've had more time to see and assess the situation there, would you still say it's obvious that Israel is trying to minimize civilian casualties? 150

John Kirby

Unknown
00:23:32-00:23:42 (10 sec)
We see in the scope of their operations that -- that they are making efforts to try to minimize civilian casualties. 151

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:23:42-00:23:54 (12 sec)
That does not mean -- and I did not say -- that they aren't still causing some -- that their operations aren't still causing some. They are, and each one is tragic. Each one shouldn't happen. And we have been crystal clear about that. 152

Question

Unknown
00:23:54-00:23:57 (3 sec)
Would you say, with Jabalia specifically -- 153

John Kirby

Unknown
00:23:57-00:23:58 (2 sec)
I'm not going to talk -- 154

Question

Unknown
00:23:58-00:23:58 ( sec)
-- that -- 155

John Kirby

Unknown
00:23:58-00:23:59 (1 sec)
-- about a specific event. 156

Question

Unknown
00:23:59-00:24:00 (1 sec)
But -- but why not? 157

John Kirby

Unknown
00:24:00-00:24:12 (12 sec)
Because I'm -- I'm not going to litigate an operational event that our military is not involved in in almost real time. I'm just not going to do that, M.J. It would be inappropriate for me to do that from the White House podium. 158

Question

Neutral
00:24:12-00:24:27 (15 sec)
But specifically on the question of minimizing civilian casualties, isn't an air strike that targets a refugee camp or a densely populated civilian area -- isn't that sort of the definition of not minimizing civilian casualties? 159

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:24:27-00:24:38 (11 sec)
That is a question for the Israeli Defense Forces. They should -- they should have to answer questions about the decisions they're making on the battlefield and how they're doing their targeting and how they're doing their operations. 160

John Kirby

Unknown
00:24:38-00:24:42 (5 sec)
We're not going to -- we're not going to throw it in from the sidelines here, all the way in Washington, D.C. 161

John Kirby

Unknown
00:24:42-00:25:01 (18 sec)
I will just tell you again what I've said a hundred times already: We're having daily conversations with our Israeli counterparts about their thinking, about their plans, about their strategy, about the execution of that strategy, and continuing to urge them to do everything they can to minimize civilian casualties. 162

Question

Slightly Positive
00:25:01-00:25:16 (15 sec)
So, on this, you wouldn't weigh in, even though the President and everyone on down has said that the minimiz- -- minimizing civilian casualties is incredibly important, that it's something that he is talking to his counterpar- -- -part about all the time. 163

John Kirby

Unknown
00:25:16-00:25:27 (12 sec)
What I said was, I'm not going to weigh in from the podium and make public -- provide public analysis in near real time of operations that U.S. forces aren't involved in. 164

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:25:27-00:25:30 (2 sec)
Go ahead, Andrew. 165

Question

Very Positive
00:25:30-00:25:48 (18 sec)
Thank you. Admiral, given the intensity of the IDF bombing across Gaza and reports that -- that even areas that are considered to be safe passage are being targeted, is there any concern that Americans who want to get to Rafah can't get to Rafah? 166

Question

Unknown
00:25:48-00:25:50 (2 sec)
And then I have a second question for you. 167

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:25:50-00:26:00 (10 sec)
I don't know what the status is of how many of all Americans in Gaza are down at -- at Rafah. I just don't know. That's a better question -- question for the State Department. 168

John Kirby

Unknown
00:26:00-00:26:19 (19 sec)
I do know -- we believe that the -- the vast, vast majority of American citizens who we know are in Gaza are -- are down there. But I can't tell you with certitude that there's not family members elsewhere that haven't made it -- their way down or -- or can't make their way down. 169

John Kirby

Unknown
00:26:19-00:26:34 (15 sec)
The other thing I can tell you is I know the State Department is in direct contact with all the American families in Gaza and keeping them informed, particularly those that are coming up on the list for departure. They're being notified where to go, when to be there. 170

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:26:34-00:26:47 (13 sec)
And as far as I know -- again, a better question for the State Department -- that -- that there isn't -- that we don't -- that we aren't aware of American families that are trying to get down there and -- and can't. But again, that's a better question for my colleagues. 171

Question

Neutral
00:26:47-00:26:59 (12 sec)
And then, my second question: The Independent has reviewed a list of 400 Americans who have been cleared to leave by the Egyptians, the Israelis, and -- and so forth. 172

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:26:59-00:27:10 (11 sec)
There have been prior reports that there were, I believe, between 500 and 700 Americans in Gaza. So, I'm just curious about this discrepancy. 173

Question

Slightly Negative
00:27:10-00:27:29 (19 sec)
There are 400 cleared to leave. If there are several hundred more in Gaza, is there a reason that they have not been cleared to leave? Have they not asked? Are they on some other list? And why, then, would the U.S. not object to U.S. passport holders not being allowed to exit [inaudible]? 174

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:27:29-00:27:56 (27 sec)
So, what you're -- you're talking about a rolling process here. I think our estimate is somewhere between 1,000 and 1,200 U.S. citizens, and that includes, you know, dual nationals and legal permanent residents, and family members. So, then, the -- the pool is somewhere in that number -- is somewhere -- is somewhere there -- about 400 families. 175

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:27:56-00:28:07 (12 sec)
But this is a rolling process of getting folks out. So, we know that there have been 400 that have gotten through that process. And we fully expect that the rest of them will get through that as well. 176

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:28:07-00:28:09 (2 sec)
Patsy. 177

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:28:09-00:28:15 (6 sec)
Thank you, Karine. John, I have a question on the Islamophobia strategy. But first, two quick ones on Gaza. 178

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:28:15-00:28:24 (9 sec)
In London, the Vice President said that every Gazan who wants to go back after the war will be allowed to. Does the President agree? And how will the U.S. ensure that Israel will allow this? 179

John Kirby

Unknown
00:28:24-00:28:26 (2 sec)
Say that again? 180

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:28:26-00:28:36 (10 sec)
The Vice President in London said that every Gazan who wants to go back after the war will be allowed to do that. Does the President agree? And how will ensure that Israel will allow this? 181

John Kirby

Unknown
00:28:36-00:28:39 (3 sec)
Of course. I've said this before. It's nothing new. 182

Question

Unknown
00:28:39-00:28:39 ( sec)
So -- 183

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:28:39-00:28:51 (12 sec)
That it -- that if -- if a citizen of Gaza finds themselves outside of Gaza and they want to go back to their home, yeah, we absolutely support that. And we'll work with partners in the region to make it happen. 184

Question

Very Positive
00:28:51-00:29:05 (14 sec)
Okay. And on -- still on Gaza: This week, Israel released intelligence showing Hamas taking fuel from the Indonesian Hospital in Gaza -- it appears with the knowledge of the hospital's director. Is this something that you can confirm? 185

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:29:05-00:29:06 (1 sec)
No. 186

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:29:06-00:29:33 (27 sec)
On Islamophobia. Some of the Muslim leaders that I spoke with said that while they appreciate the effort to combat Islamophobia, they thought the timing of the announcement was interesting, because this is something that the administration has been working on for months. And some of them feel that this is a political bone thrown at them and does not address their bigger concern, which is U.S. policy to support Israel, where they are frustrated that their perspectives are not being heard. Your message to them? 187

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:29:33-00:29:56 (23 sec)
This is a very genuine effort on behalf of the President and the Vice President and the entire administration to -- to plant a marker about how hate has no business here in the United States, particularly hate that can lead to real threats of violence against the Muslim communi- -- community, the Arab community, the Palestinian community. 188

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:29:56-00:30:10 (14 sec)
We take that seriously. This -- the thinking that went into leading up to this strategy is longstanding and predates the events of October 7th. 189

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:30:10-00:30:29 (19 sec)
But -- again, I don't know who all these folks are necessarily, but we value their opinion. We value their res- -- perspective, and even especially if it's a contrary perspective or they -- they feel it's a contrary perspective, that's valuable to us. 190

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:30:29-00:30:44 (15 sec)
We want to -- as we embrace the effort to develop this strategy, we're absolutely going to reach out to folks all across the country, from all different perspectives, particularly in the Muslim community, to get their views. That will be important. It'll inform our work. 191

Question

Very Positive
00:30:44-00:30:54 (10 sec)
Well, the complaint that I've heard raised a lot is that every time they want to address U.S. support to Israel, the White House pivots to Islamophobia. Is that an accurate assessment? How would you respond? 192

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:30:54-00:30:57 (3 sec)
No, I'll let them speak to their opinion of our work. 193

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:30:57-00:31:19 (21 sec)
I can tell you that -- that this strategy is born from a genuine desire to go after the kind of hate in America that could lead to real threats of violence against real people -- our fellow citizens, who ha- -- who are of the Muslim faith or in the Arab community and the Palestinian community. 194

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:31:19-00:31:30 (12 sec)
I mean, that comes from a genuine, instinctual place for the President and for -- and for the Vice President. I mean, he has said time after time after time that that kind of hate has no place. 195

Karine Jean-Pierre

Unknown
00:31:30-00:31:31 (1 sec)
Andrea. 196

Question

Very Positive
00:31:31-00:31:40 (9 sec)
John, I just want to go back to what you said about your conversations with the Israelis and trying to encourage them to minimize civilian casualties. 197

Question

Very Negative
00:31:40-00:32:04 (24 sec)
You said that you're trying to impart some of the lessons that the U.S. has learned. Can you elaborate? And to what extent would the U.S. be able to help Israel in pinpointing its targeting precisely to avoid the casualties? For instance, 195 that were killed at Jabalia. 198

Question

Very Positive
00:32:04-00:32:11 (7 sec)
I mean, what -- what do you have to offer? What can you offer? How can you help Israel minimize casualties? 199

John Kirby

Neutral
00:32:11-00:32:29 (18 sec)
I mean, look, we have a lot of experience in what's called "urban warfare" in Iraq, Afghanistan. I mean, think about Mosul. Think about Fallujah. Places like that. 200

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:32:29-00:33:00 (32 sec)
And one of the reasons why we dispatched a few senior officers to Israel not long ago was to share some lessons learned about how you conduct operations against a terrorist network inside an urban environment such that you are minimizing damage to civilian infrastructure and absolutely minimizing loss of life to -- to innocent people. 201

John Kirby

Very Positive
00:33:00-00:33:12 (12 sec)
And there are -- there are -- there are things you can do on the ground that you can't do from the air, particularly if you have good intelligence. 202

John Kirby

Unknown
00:33:12-00:33:17 (5 sec)
And so, I think those were the kind of conversations that we were having with -- with our Israeli counterparts. 203

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:33:17-00:33:37 (20 sec)
And on your second question, I mean, there's no plan or intention for the United States to get involved in the targeting process. These are Israeli military operations, and the Israeli Defense Force, they're -- they're leaders. They're making these decisions. They're executing these operations. 204

John Kirby

Negative
00:33:37-00:33:53 (16 sec)
What we are doing is making sure that we are giving them the tools -- including perspective and advice but also weapons -- to be able to conduct these operations in the most efficient way possible and in a way that, again, minimizes civilian harm. 205

Question

Negative
00:33:53-00:34:08 (16 sec)
Can I just follow up? If the U.S. is providing weapons that are intended to minimize harm but then we see large civilian casualties in places like Jabalia, does the U.S. bear some responsibility by providing the weapon? 206

John Kirby

Leans Negative
00:34:08-00:34:21 (13 sec)
We are not making the targeting decisions. The Israeli Defense Force are making the decisions. We are giving them the tools and capabilities they need to defend themselves against what I just read is a pretty dire, chilling threat. 207

John Kirby

Neutral
00:34:21-00:34:30 (9 sec)
I mean, these guys want to wipe them off the map. They don't believe they even have a right to exist. They have every right -- in fact, they have a responsibility to their people -- to go after these folks. 208

John Kirby

Very Negative
00:34:30-00:34:42 (12 sec)
And we're -- we're trying to give them the tools and capabilities to do that. But in addition to it is our perspective, our lessons learned, our advice about how to do it in a way that minimizes civilian harm. 209

Question

Somewhat Positive
00:34:42-00:34:46 (4 sec)
Are you going to increase the number of officers that are providing this advice? 210

Question

Unknown
00:34:46-00:34:48 (2 sec)
And then I have a real quick question on Chile. 211

John Kirby

Slightly Negative
00:34:48-00:34:58 (10 sec)
I know of no other decision to -- to send more officers over there. The ones that went over are now back. They're -- they're not still there. 212

John Kirby

Positive
00:34:58-00:35:02 (4 sec)
But obviously, we have terrific communications with our Israeli counterparts. 213

Question

Slightly Positive
00:35:02-00:35:11 (9 sec)
Okay. And then on Chile, the President of Chile will be meeting later with the President, very shortly. Chile has recalled its ambassador from Israel. You know, obviously, there are other -- 214

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:35:11-00:35:12 (1 sec)
Yeah. 215

Question

Very Negative
00:35:12-00:35:20 (8 sec)
-- countries in Latin America that have also recalled their envoys and have broken ties. Bolivia has actually broken ties with Israel. 216

Question

Unknown
00:35:20-00:35:31 (11 sec)
You know, do you see this being a big topic today? And what will the President say to the President of Chile about this decision to recall the ambassador? 217

John Kirby

Slightly Positive
00:35:31-00:35:33 (2 sec)
Well, I'm not going to get ahead of a conversation that hasn't happened yet. 218

John Kirby

Somewhat Positive
00:35:33-00:35:46 (13 sec)
But obviously, each country -- these are sovereign nations. They have the right to handle their bilateral diplomatic relations in the way they see fit. We're not going to lecture to people about how they handle that. 219

John Kirby

Unknown