Many in the nation were shocked when horrifying photographs appeared of immigration officers on horseback rounding up Haitian asylum seekers at the border last month. To unpack this difficult subject, Mary C. Curtis turned to Patrice Lawrence of UndocuBlack to talk about whether policies differ for white, brown and Black migrants and the overall human toll.

Show Notes:

• Why universal pre-K may help stem crime
• ‘White folks don’t care about dead Black and Brown people like they ought to’
• ‘It’s always urgent when it’s about vote, voice and power’
• Reconciliation, infrastructure and the social safety net
• MLK III: ‘Listen with your ears, hear with your heart’